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Quite apt for some of the techniques, like: “BD+ mainly works by adding errors to the video stream, not enough to make it unwatchable but enough to make it unp

Quite apt for some of the techniques, like: “BD+ mainly works by adding errors to the video stream, not enough to make it unwatchable but enough to make it unpleasant to watch due to near constant artifacting. These are fixed in official players by using "fixup tables", which are downloaded from the internet and provide a mapping to convert the broken video stream into the correct video stream.

salawat 4y ago
....Someone wrote that software/firmware. I hope there is a special place in hell for them. That is just not cool.
- eric__cartman 4y ago
  I'd rather send the bone headed executive that decided that drm should be a thing on a movie I bought a copy of.
- fzfaa 4y ago
  Dude, calm down. It's just DRM for movies.
  - redeeman 4y ago
    everyone has a responsibility to not do anything reprehensible. Some people just do not have a very good value system. I, for example, would not, no matter the money offered, construct a prison for kidnapped kids, or software to scam elderly people of their life savings. I also would not produce shit like DRM. Some clearly will, and hopefully there is a place for them :)
    - donkarma 4y ago
      who the fuck equates DRM with kidnapping children?
      - redeeman 4y ago
        I dont know, who does? I did not.
    - JodieBenitez 4y ago
      The trick is to give you just enough information so that you don't know you're building a prison for kidnapped kids. I don't want to go too much in Godwin territory, but this trick worked well in the past.
      - gaius_baltar 4y ago
        I would take a step towards it, picking an example from a company that was literally created by the guys who caused Godwin's law to exist: imagine a bunch of software engineers at Volkswagen, all from different teams, being individually asked to create components for a test system, unit tests, simulations, etc. and none of them knowing that these apparently innocent parts, when seen individually, would be put together and allow Dieselgate!
    - npteljes 4y ago
      You probably would, given the circumstances. What if, for example, every kid was kidnapped to begin with, but after a long time of your campaigning to your superiors, they'd give the go-ahead for a less horrible prison for them? I think the focus of this is wrong. DRM is bad, and what's worse is people being set up for disappointment when they discover this badness. They are entitled to know what they're getting themselves into. I gladly pay for DRM-ed entertainment, with the knowledge that it's an experience that will go away. Like going to the movies or watching a sunset, it's to be expected that these go away, and by knowing this, I can, as living-feeling human being, make an informed decision. What's not okay is lying about buying something, only to discover later that the usage is extensively limited. All these stores telling us that we buy, when in fact we rent, or license. And that they validate their thing by spying, while pretending that you're private and comfortable in your own home. Also not okay.
  - salawat 4y ago
    >Build me a doorknob that shocks people. Correct answer: No, that is dumb. >No, really, it's cool, I pinky swear it'll always be paired with a doorknob grounder(TM) I paid some other guy to make. You: It's just a doorknob for shocking people. This is why we live in the worst timeline. Deep down, you know this to be true.
    - titzer 4y ago
      The answer is always that someone's just working for hire. Even repressive regimes are made up of 99% of people just doing their jobs to get their paycheck, looking the other way, or down. A great movie is "Cube".
    - npteljes 4y ago
      That's just naive. Morality is not as easy as not making a stupid decision. What if you have a comfortable job and now they are asking you to build such a product? What if losing your job would make your life inconvenient? What if it would make it really hard for some time? What if you would miss your mortgage payments and thereby lose your home? Or you couldn't pay for an ongoing medical treatment? Yes, ignorance is a huge contributor to overall suffering. But you can't just simply eliminate ignorance. (Or a great many other failings of people)
    - fzfaa 4y ago
      > >Build me a doorknob that shocks people. > Correct answer: No, that is dumb. "Build me a fence that shocks people"
- geraldwhen 4y ago
  Don’t blame the carpenter for the architects bad plans. I’m just here to cut wood and make the building match the designs.
  - npteljes 4y ago
    I agree, but I still think they share some blame. Professionals are humans, and they feel moral about how their craft is applied. Physicians for example take the Hippocratic Oath, which directly addresses this issue. The rest of the professions are contested in this regard, as far as I know, with attitudes ranging total responsibility to "I'm just taking orders".
- Ekaros 4y ago
  And the idiot consumers who did not do research and bought such products... Both players and the media. Without them it would not have continues for long. That is really so uncool.
  - ivegotnoaccount 4y ago
    Not everyone heard of DRM, and those that haven't have no reason to "research". Not everyone from the remaining checks everything they buy for DRM. Not everyone from the remaining realize the implications this may have on legit users (backups, conservation...) Not everyone from the remaining is aware of the technicalities enough to know those technologies may be implemented in the CPU hardware and be revoked at a later time. Not everyone from the remaining consider DRM to be a bad trade-off, no matter what we think about it, and our as well as their reasons for believing so. Who are you to take all these, which is a huge part of those that have a possibility to pay those technologies, and call them all "idiot consumers"? There are probably other areas you don't even realize exist, where to some guy, you are the idiot consumer that is the reason of a huge industry-wide issue still existing. Outside of technical forums and tech-savvy friends, the only times I hear about DRMs is about video games. And it created reactions. Steam DRMs are easy to bypass, only a minority of games are using Denuvo, nearly no protections ask for kernel-level modules. Online does often rely on central server which is a shame, but most are still unaware the editor will close them one day, and we can hope for an outcry. Is the real problem (putting aside the ones creating those devices or designing them) really the "stupid consumer" whose lack of knowledge of a subject is being abused to lock him, when no one is there in the circles they are in to educate them?
  - npteljes 4y ago
    People can't be expected to know about everything. There's simply too much going on all the time. I'm sure you encountered many teachers, experts or professionals who think that their specialty is somehow The Thing that's overlooked by most and that's worthy of everyone's deeper consideration. I don't these people could agree which of theirs is the most important. And some people may not even have a single field where they're expert at, and I don't think they are any less for that. So, what remains? What can we do if people are known to not bother with the things, yet we still want a better world for them, even if they don't know about it? Regulation is the answer, I think, and consistent improvement, and application of it. Education also comes into picture. I'm not even about the part as to what we should actually learn, but critical thinking should be taught somehow. And try to eliminate the Dunning-Kruger effect as much as we can.
npteljes 4y ago
I think this is not unlike how cable TV used to be protected. Without subscription, you could still see the channel, kind of, but the image was horrible and the sound muted or garbled. And they installed a box, which basically fixed the stuff (if you had a subscription or bribed the man who installed it).

salawat 4y ago

....Someone wrote that software/firmware. I hope there is a special place in hell for them. That is just not cool.

eric__cartman 4y ago
I'd rather send the bone headed executive that decided that drm should be a thing on a movie I bought a copy of.
fzfaa 4y ago
Dude, calm down. It's just DRM for movies.
- redeeman 4y ago
  everyone has a responsibility to not do anything reprehensible. Some people just do not have a very good value system. I, for example, would not, no matter the money offered, construct a prison for kidnapped kids, or software to scam elderly people of their life savings. I also would not produce shit like DRM. Some clearly will, and hopefully there is a place for them :)
  - donkarma 4y ago
    who the fuck equates DRM with kidnapping children?
    - redeeman 4y ago
      I dont know, who does? I did not.
  - JodieBenitez 4y ago
    The trick is to give you just enough information so that you don't know you're building a prison for kidnapped kids. I don't want to go too much in Godwin territory, but this trick worked well in the past.
    - gaius_baltar 4y ago
      I would take a step towards it, picking an example from a company that was literally created by the guys who caused Godwin's law to exist: imagine a bunch of software engineers at Volkswagen, all from different teams, being individually asked to create components for a test system, unit tests, simulations, etc. and none of them knowing that these apparently innocent parts, when seen individually, would be put together and allow Dieselgate!
  - npteljes 4y ago
    You probably would, given the circumstances. What if, for example, every kid was kidnapped to begin with, but after a long time of your campaigning to your superiors, they'd give the go-ahead for a less horrible prison for them? I think the focus of this is wrong. DRM is bad, and what's worse is people being set up for disappointment when they discover this badness. They are entitled to know what they're getting themselves into. I gladly pay for DRM-ed entertainment, with the knowledge that it's an experience that will go away. Like going to the movies or watching a sunset, it's to be expected that these go away, and by knowing this, I can, as living-feeling human being, make an informed decision. What's not okay is lying about buying something, only to discover later that the usage is extensively limited. All these stores telling us that we buy, when in fact we rent, or license. And that they validate their thing by spying, while pretending that you're private and comfortable in your own home. Also not okay.
- salawat 4y ago
  >Build me a doorknob that shocks people. Correct answer: No, that is dumb. >No, really, it's cool, I pinky swear it'll always be paired with a doorknob grounder(TM) I paid some other guy to make. You: It's just a doorknob for shocking people. This is why we live in the worst timeline. Deep down, you know this to be true.
  - titzer 4y ago
    The answer is always that someone's just working for hire. Even repressive regimes are made up of 99% of people just doing their jobs to get their paycheck, looking the other way, or down. A great movie is "Cube".
  - npteljes 4y ago
    That's just naive. Morality is not as easy as not making a stupid decision. What if you have a comfortable job and now they are asking you to build such a product? What if losing your job would make your life inconvenient? What if it would make it really hard for some time? What if you would miss your mortgage payments and thereby lose your home? Or you couldn't pay for an ongoing medical treatment? Yes, ignorance is a huge contributor to overall suffering. But you can't just simply eliminate ignorance. (Or a great many other failings of people)
  - fzfaa 4y ago
    > >Build me a doorknob that shocks people. > Correct answer: No, that is dumb. "Build me a fence that shocks people"
geraldwhen 4y ago
Don’t blame the carpenter for the architects bad plans. I’m just here to cut wood and make the building match the designs.
- npteljes 4y ago
  I agree, but I still think they share some blame. Professionals are humans, and they feel moral about how their craft is applied. Physicians for example take the Hippocratic Oath, which directly addresses this issue. The rest of the professions are contested in this regard, as far as I know, with attitudes ranging total responsibility to "I'm just taking orders".
Ekaros 4y ago
And the idiot consumers who did not do research and bought such products... Both players and the media. Without them it would not have continues for long. That is really so uncool.
- ivegotnoaccount 4y ago
  Not everyone heard of DRM, and those that haven't have no reason to "research". Not everyone from the remaining checks everything they buy for DRM. Not everyone from the remaining realize the implications this may have on legit users (backups, conservation...) Not everyone from the remaining is aware of the technicalities enough to know those technologies may be implemented in the CPU hardware and be revoked at a later time. Not everyone from the remaining consider DRM to be a bad trade-off, no matter what we think about it, and our as well as their reasons for believing so. Who are you to take all these, which is a huge part of those that have a possibility to pay those technologies, and call them all "idiot consumers"? There are probably other areas you don't even realize exist, where to some guy, you are the idiot consumer that is the reason of a huge industry-wide issue still existing. Outside of technical forums and tech-savvy friends, the only times I hear about DRMs is about video games. And it created reactions. Steam DRMs are easy to bypass, only a minority of games are using Denuvo, nearly no protections ask for kernel-level modules. Online does often rely on central server which is a shame, but most are still unaware the editor will close them one day, and we can hope for an outcry. Is the real problem (putting aside the ones creating those devices or designing them) really the "stupid consumer" whose lack of knowledge of a subject is being abused to lock him, when no one is there in the circles they are in to educate them?
- npteljes 4y ago
  People can't be expected to know about everything. There's simply too much going on all the time. I'm sure you encountered many teachers, experts or professionals who think that their specialty is somehow The Thing that's overlooked by most and that's worthy of everyone's deeper consideration. I don't these people could agree which of theirs is the most important. And some people may not even have a single field where they're expert at, and I don't think they are any less for that. So, what remains? What can we do if people are known to not bother with the things, yet we still want a better world for them, even if they don't know about it? Regulation is the answer, I think, and consistent improvement, and application of it. Education also comes into picture. I'm not even about the part as to what we should actually learn, but critical thinking should be taught somehow. And try to eliminate the Dunning-Kruger effect as much as we can.

npteljes 4y ago

I think this is not unlike how cable TV used to be protected. Without subscription, you could still see the channel, kind of, but the image was horrible and the sound muted or garbled. And they installed a box, which basically fixed the stuff (if you had a subscription or bribed the man who installed it).