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I will agree that using wine is not something we would consider using, but >>> It works, I like it and use it daily when it does. But relatively speaking it is

I will agree that using wine is not something we would consider using, but >>> It works, I like it and use it daily when it does. But relatively speaking it is bottom tier shit for general business use. that's definitely a problem on your end. we've been running linux on laptops and desktops using puppet for configuration and native packaging to distribute our own modifications for almost a decade now and I wouldn't change it for anything. our software requirements are simple, but you did say "general business". some of our employees don't know the word linux, but they have been using it for years.

_8j50 4y ago
The thing you should appreciate is how wildly diverse "general business" is. Will you seriously tell me that office workers can be as productive and happy using a Linux desktop as with MacOs (to not get into unix vs windows bs)? Just the UI consistency alone is a killer on mac. You mentioned puppet and all that but that requires being able to hire people to manage that. Objectively speaking the personell cost alone is significant. 4-5 years ago Linux server admins cost 20% or more more. With desktop I would imagine a lot higher? Not to mention you would need to reimplement ad dependent stuff like dns, and pki in most orgs. And any new IT vendor/product you try to evaluate to help with some business need will also need to be compatible with a Linux enviroment which is pretty specific to you (unlike AD/Windows or Jamf/Mac).
throwaway049 4y ago
I wanted to go back to Linux desktop at home earlier this year. I installed a mainstream distro with default options. The first time screensaver activated I was unable to unlock without jumping to a vt and doing stuff on the command line. I don't have time for that so gave up. I've previously been a regular user and gave up because of poor multi monitor support. Seems things actually went backward while I was away.
- _8j50 4y ago
  For me what irks me is that I customize the hell out it and things break. Right no I have a simple openbox install but disabled avahi and a bunch of things I don't need. Took a day to get it working but still, after login it hangs for 5min+ before the desktop+taskbar shows up. Haven't even found an error logged somewhere. It also waits for 2 min on a shutdown job when turning it off. I just accept stuff like this and tolerate it.

_8j50 4y ago

The thing you should appreciate is how wildly diverse "general business" is. Will you seriously tell me that office workers can be as productive and happy using a Linux desktop as with MacOs (to not get into unix vs windows bs)? Just the UI consistency alone is a killer on mac. You mentioned puppet and all that but that requires being able to hire people to manage that. Objectively speaking the personell cost alone is significant. 4-5 years ago Linux server admins cost 20% or more more. With desktop I would imagine a lot higher? Not to mention you would need to reimplement ad dependent stuff like dns, and pki in most orgs. And any new IT vendor/product you try to evaluate to help with some business need will also need to be compatible with a Linux enviroment which is pretty specific to you (unlike AD/Windows or Jamf/Mac).

throwaway049 4y ago

I wanted to go back to Linux desktop at home earlier this year. I installed a mainstream distro with default options. The first time screensaver activated I was unable to unlock without jumping to a vt and doing stuff on the command line. I don't have time for that so gave up. I've previously been a regular user and gave up because of poor multi monitor support. Seems things actually went backward while I was away.

_8j50 4y ago
For me what irks me is that I customize the hell out it and things break. Right no I have a simple openbox install but disabled avahi and a bunch of things I don't need. Took a day to get it working but still, after login it hangs for 5min+ before the desktop+taskbar shows up. Haven't even found an error logged somewhere. It also waits for 2 min on a shutdown job when turning it off. I just accept stuff like this and tolerate it.