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The Calvine UFO photograph
- kwertyoowiyop 4y agoNow that there are a billion cel phones out there with high resolution video capability, I guess we ought to see some pretty amazing new UFO videos. Or not?
- Kostic 4y agoDepends on the technological advancement rate of our guests. Maybe they already figured out proper cloaking?
- night-rider 4y agoMy razor for filtering out any UFO/UAP photo is simply: unless I have physically seen the UFO in question, any attempt by others to persuade me they're real or operated by intelligences orders of magnitude higher than ours, is invalid. You can't audit these people's claims short of being physically with them when the photo was taken. For all I know, someone put a piece of cheese on the lens and then passed it off as a UFO. That said, I did witness something strange about a year ago when I looked up at the sky randomly. This object was darting really fast at quite a height. I dismissed it as a drone, but I didn't know drones could operate at such a height, and it done acute turns without slowing down, something drones can't do, no matter how many videos of drones turning acutely at speed you show me, because an object has to slow down before it does that. It's basic physics. Anyway, it was good to see, since I was physically present, so at least I can say these things could possibly fit the narrative of 'aliens' or 'watchers' who are doing recon on our planet.
- libertine 4y agoYou might have seen a satellite, nowadays it's pretty common to see them, especially starlink ones. At least from a couple onward.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 4y agoSatellites travel in straight lines. [1] [1] akshually, those are elliptical orbits, but you get what I mean
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- withinboredom 4y ago> so at least I can say these things could possibly fit the narrative of 'aliens' or 'watchers' who are doing recon on our planet. Mandatory must-read: Backyard Starship. The writing isn't the best in the world, but the premise and story is pretty darn good.
- smallmouth 4y agoIndeed. I second this recommendation. I also recommend John Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse". He's my favorite writer on the phenomenon and brings a skeptic's wit to the analysis while not discounting the volumes of testimony from highly credible witnesses.
- BiteCode_dev 4y agoSimilar observation a few years ago in the sea sky: some ligh moving very high, with a strange flying pattern (like a very fast bee), for 20 minutes, above my head, then disapearing. No apparent light beam, support for light reflection, animal presence or mechanical vehicule. Clear weather conditions. It was, to my eyes, an object that was flying and that I couldn't identify. So UFO applies. The problem is not seing those. The problem is making interpretations out of those. Humans often prefer to create explanations than say they just don't know. Centuries ago, somebody spot lightning and said it was Thor. We are mocking them now, but we are doing the same.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoI saw similar lights in the sky off the eastern coast of Sri Lanka back in 2017. I assumed it was military aircraft since that area is a hotbed of military activity. But then it abruptly turned almost 60 degrees at a sharp angle - like a cue ball bouncing off the walls of a billiards table. I don’t know of anything that can move like that.
- puchatek 4y agoSearch light hitting a cloud?
- jay_kyburz 4y agoI've also seen 3 lights fly in formation then the two on the wings make instant 90 turns and fly off into the horizon.
- jiveturkey 4y agowere you looking out into the sea? don’t know if you realize, but without good horizon references you lose sense of scale (relevant: supermoon is now) and you also can’t easily distinguish 3 dimensions. contrails going mostly horizontal can look quite vertical, for example. so this abrupt impossible 60* turn might just be the projection of a normal maneuver
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- TrainedMonkey 4y agoI think a better way to phrase this is - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Being present myself is a good litmus test, but humans are pretty unreliable. Having multiple corroborated credible sources would be much better. E.G. multiple radars detecting an object approaching, many videos from different view points, governments (who have access to better data sources) scrambling interceptors, defcon level rising, etc..
- amerine 4y agoI also saw what you described once in southern Oregon right along the California border, but it was in 1996 and I was a kid. None of the adults around believed I saw an object moving like that and were convinced I had noticed a satellite. Satellites don’t turn at acute angles without losing momentum. They didn’t believe me.
- hammyhavoc 4y agoNow I want some Gouda.
- tshaddox 4y ago> and it done acute turns without slowing down, something drones can't do, no matter how many videos of drones turning acutely at speed you show me, because an object has to slow down before it does that. What you saw probably wasn’t an expert flying a small RC helicopter, but those can do things that I believe would appear to some people as being almost impossible. It’s not rare to see seemingly genuine online comments on these sorts of videos claiming they must be fake or sped up. https://youtu.be/KmPchrGW1TQ https://youtu.be/KmPchrGW1TQ https://youtu.be/XlyxmqfTLxk https://youtu.be/XlyxmqfTLxk
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago> cheese on the lens Or a faulty stench coil.
- dieselgate 4y agoMaybe cheese or a piece of chorizo
- rawling 4y agoA bit of undigested beef. A blob of mustard.
- sudden_dystopia 4y agoOk so let’s just say that the author is correct, and this thing, among other sightings, are actually US secret projects. I can believe that, but I would be much angrier if the government has been covering up some sort of wild capabilities for at least the past 30 years than if they have been covering up aliens for the past 80 years. If we have the ability to fly silently at high speeds, we have the ability to generate much more power at much lower cost than we do currently…which means the technology is a secret because releasing that tech into the world liberates the peasants from their rulers.
- Simon_O_Rourke 4y agoWhy? If we've got that capability then why telegraph it to everyone else, including peer (or near peer) air forces around the world. If it's ours, great, let's keep a tight lid on it until we need it. If it's not, let's discretely find out what it was. Period.
- sudden_dystopia 4y agoBecause if we do have the capability to create lots of cheap energy, it could have been applied to various other sectors and improved the quality of life for billions of people. Instead of constraining us to the whims of oil barons.
- krapp 4y agoAssuming this for the sake of argument, it might not be cheap. Maybe we're talking about small portable fusion engines that cost half a trillion dollars a piece to make, and have a very short, single-purpose shelf life. Remember the Area 51 lawsuit where workers sued over being exposed to toxic fumes and chemicals, and as a result the facility was exempted from all environmental laws? Maybe the byproducts of creating this energy are more toxic and dangerous than spent nuclear fuel, but it's the government and the government doesn't give a damn, but there's no feasible (much less legal) way to mass produce the technology.
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- Flankk 4y agoThe thing that doesn't make much sense to me is the variety of shapes these things come in. Saucer, triangle, tic tac, pyramid, cube, etc. The triangles are probably just military, but where does that leave this other stuff? The military has had supersonic drones for a long time so that could explain many other sightings. The thing about aliens is it's exciting. The thing that makes me wary is that even if the military declassified hypersonic saucer drones people would just call it a psyop.
- yuan43 4y ago> The Calvine UFO photograph is in my opinion the best image of an unidentified flying object ever taken. And yet the no evidence for this is presented in the entire article. Government cover-up/friction is not evidence of authenticity. The person making the extraordinary claim is obligated to bring the extraordinary evidence. There is none, so the author is resorting to spinning conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, quite typical of UFO "research."
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- huron 4y agoThat’s totally an aircraft banked towards the camera. Turn the image 90deg and it looks like a testbed a/c that Boeing had that looked like something out of Batman. Brown from above makes sense as it would help to hide it from foreign satellites.
- thinkingemote 4y agoStargazing and watching satellites in a very dark skies place, I noticed that some satellites zigzaged about, moving at right angles. I explain this by saccades of my eyes and the brain trying to work out the pattern based on a black featureless background. Would make sense for the brain to estimate it as "flying bug" with erratic flight than very smoothly straight flying mechanical thing.
- jcims 4y agoVery plausible explanation, but fwiw the 'zigzag' behavior you're describing is also described by people out in places where they have high end night vision goggles and nothing to do all night but stare at the sky.
- h2odragon 4y agoLighter than air radar reflector / target? Looks like good shape for something like that.
- mikewarot 4y agoContext -- You can build a "ufo" (ion wind lifter) yourself, many have[1]. The power to weight ratio is roughly equal to that of a helicopter, so it's not trivial, but it could in theory be scaled up to large enough to move battle tanks around on. You'd end up with a large dark craft that glows a bit around the edges. That's old physics, who knows what's been done since then. 1 - http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/liftbldr.htm
- 1-6 4y agoWhat ever happened to crop circles. Have we ever gotten to the bottom of those?
- spullara 4y agohttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/crop-circles-the-art-of-the-hoax-2524283/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/crop-circles-the...
- throwaway29303 4y agoProbably a hoax. But then you have footage such as this[0] that makes anyone go "wtf?" People would call them drones nowadays but that footage is from the 90s, so, yeah... That first clip especially always captivated my imagination. [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu-b2wAmM6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu-b2wAmM6U
- akimball 4y agoThey keep happening. Not much press now though.
- ByersReason 4y agoSorry, I want to believe ;) but it is a complete hoax. Read this: https://www.amazon.com/Round-Circles-Poltergeists-Pranksters-Cropwatchers/dp/1591021103 https://www.amazon.com/Round-Circles-Poltergeists-Pranksters... I do have enormous respect for the art though.
- jeremycw 4y agoI wonder if it's possible this was an optical illusion. Seeing optical illusions where oil tankers are hovering in mid-air has changed my perception of what people could see and how it could be misinterpreted. [1] I'm not a physicist but it almost looks like the photo could be a mountain and it's reflection somehow projected up into the sky similar to how the oil tanker is projected in the sky. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719
- yarg 4y agoThe one thing that makes me think that there might be something there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_VZ-9_Avrocar. Not because it worked, more because it really didn't (and they thought it would); it makes me feel like it was (very) loosely based on something else (something only seen). I'd be very interested to see what would happen if you incorporated some very fast very heavy gyros inside of a disc.
- miniwark 4y agoI only see an small island with reflection on a Scottish lake or a large river a foggy day... And the "plane" is just a floating tree branch for me...
- dieselgate 4y agoThat was my first thought as well (island and reflection) and was looking through the comments to see if any others posted. The plane could just be a shadow itself
- jmyeet 4y agoIf you ever find yourself tempted to look down on or judge someone for getting roped up in a cult or simply spewing some dogma that you find ridiculous, please consider that UFOs (and a bunch of other conspiracy theories) are just religion for atheists. Humans have a deep need, a very egotistical need in some ways, to feel like there's a bigger plan, that they're part of something and even that they're in possession with some secret knowledge the masses aren't. It's not too dissimilar to those who jump on the trend of the latest fringe FTL technology idea. Warp drives, wormholes, space folding, whatever. Part of this comes from a genuine desire for some Star Trek or Star Wars future of visiting other stars without taking a lifetime to get there. But part of it is also some people realize that if the speed of light is a cosmic speed limit (my personal belief) then the idea of alien visitors and UFOs becomes truly ridiculous.
- booleandilemma 4y agoThere may be ways around the speed of light though, see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive Please don't psychoanalyze me for telling you this :)
- w4ffl35 4y agoYour comment is misinformed. There are religions for atheists, such as Satanism. UFOlogy is not a religion, and certainly neither are "UFO". Unidentified Flying Objects could hardly be considered a religion. That's like saying a car is a religion to a gearhead. Furthermore, insinuating that people who are into UFO are atheist and UFO are their religion is asinine. Many are atheist, but the majority I know are "spiritual", in pagan religions etc. Additionally there are UFO religions, such as Scientology. There is also the Starseed movement.
- saaaaaam 4y agoIsn’t this just a photo of something similar to the Boeing “Bird of Prey” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Bird_of_Prey
- arecurrence 4y agoUploading the photograph to dalle and masking a bunch of it creates some pretty cool dogfights :)
- LightG 4y agoNote to the author. Thanks for the invite but I will never intentionally click on a link for the Daily Mail.
- mezcaliente 4y agoHmm. Could this actually be the peak of one of those distant mountains or hills peaking through low blankets of fog and clouds? The jet could be flying closer to the ground than it appears. Or it could be a bird.
- tgflynn 4y agoI'm wondering about that too. The object looks remarkably similar to some photos of the Cairngorms I've seen, but I don't know if there's a way for the geography and atmospheric conditions to create such an illusion in this case.
- Animats 4y agoThe Boeing Bird of Prey (first flight, 1996) has about that cross section in a bank. The Pegasus X-47A [1](first flight, 2003) looks almost exactly like that in a bank - diamond shaped with a dark engine bell at the rear. But it first flew a few years after that photo. I wonder if there was a UK prototype of that era which didn't get publicized. The XB-47A led to the XB-47B, an armed semi-autonomous stealth attack aircraft demonstrator. Not quite as diamond-shaped, it was considered a success. It's not clear if a production version was built. One was definitely designed. After the Have Blue "hopeless diamond", the original stealth-first aircraft, there was a lot of work in the diamond-shaped aircraft space. It's not too surprising to see a photo of one. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGDYwP--I4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGDYwP--I4s
- IAmGraydon 4y agoThat is almost certainly a mirage of the mountains in the background. Look at the "UFO" image and then look at the more recent image of the location down the page a bit. There is a particular peak that looks suspiciously similar to the UFO. Have a look at this mirage image, taken in Namibia: https://i.imgur.com/D21xgfy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/D21xgfy.jpg Mirages often feature a mirror image of the object, as if it's sitting in a body of water with a reflection. That is exactly how the UFO appears. I would be much more inclined to believe this is something strange if the entire area weren't made up of mountains which have peaks that look exactly like the object in this photograph, but alas...I am a man of logic. I would be willing to bet this is nothing more than an illusion and the most interesting thing is the atmospheric conditions that made this photo possible.
- shsbdncudx 4y agoYou may well be right. I wonder if the nearby airplane would be victim to the same optical illusion though? Either way, your explanation is more likely than aliens, agree.
- elevaet 4y agoThis idea reminds me of the "floating ship" mirage phenomenon. A spectacular example of this made the rounds a couple of years ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719
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- todd8 4y agoThere are so many security cameras and smartphone users that we are flooded with videos of everyday and not so everyday experiences: funny pets and kids, surprising weather events, accidents, crimes, etc. Why are there no better videos of UFOs. We have great videos of people, birds, cars, and tornados, but the videos of UFOs are always grainy, blurry, and out of focus.
- kcplate 4y agoI have been asking this very same question for the last few years. The quality and amount of video evidence should be increasing as the number of cameras in everyday life are increasing (literally exponentially) but doesn’t seem to be. To me it underscores an already healthy skepticism towards the subject.
- 8bitsrule 4y agoSeems like the early 90s were interesting times for the MoD. [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37371/the-boscombe-down-incident-remains-one-of-military-aviations-most-intriguing-mysteries https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37371/the-boscombe-dow...] For some reason Calvine isn't notable for WPedia - but it does have a little on this story. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_the_United_Kingdom#1990s%E2%80%932000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_sightings_in_the_United_Ki...] and links to this article in Scotsman: [https://www.scotsman.com/news/close-encounters-pitlochry-kind-2465945 https://www.scotsman.com/news/close-encounters-pitlochry-kin...]
- Simon_O_Rourke 4y agoIf I was to break down what it was, kind of decision tree style, I'd guess it's - Hoax 50% - Non-Hoax 50% - Optical Illusion 80% - Unidentified/Secret Military Tech 19% - Other 1% (a generous 1%, probably fairer to be 0.000000001%) - ET 33% - Future human 33% - Interdimensional 33% - Other (though manifestation, spiritual/religious, trickster) 1%