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"To conflate Latino and undocumented immigrant is upsetting as fuck" Or... just an accurate perception of reality? Turns out, not many Namibians or Mongolians

"To conflate Latino and undocumented immigrant is upsetting as fuck" Or... just an accurate perception of reality? Turns out, not many Namibians or Mongolians make it to the USA undocumented. This doesn't have to be a politically charged observation unless you're trying to force it to be one.

29athrowaway 4y ago
What do you think is the proportion of legal and illegal Latinos? What you say implies something close to 99% of Latinos are undocumented, and that's not even remotely true. If there are 60 million Latinos in the US, and 11 undocumented immigrants of all national origins, that means your statement is false as well as intellectually dishonest. And some of those might as well be descendants of US citizens removed via ethnic cleansing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation
- missedthecue 4y ago
  I don't think I implied that. How many undocumented immigrants in the US do you think are not Latino?
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    DHS numbers from 2014[1]: - India: 4% - Philippines: 3% - China: 2% - Korea: 2% - Vietnam: 2% - Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Dominican Republic: 70% - Other: 17% The number of illegal immigrants from Mexico and El Salvador are going down. Mexicans are no longer the majority. [1]: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unauthorized%20Immigrant%20Population%20Estimates%20in%20the%20US%20January%202014_1.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unautho... Anyways, the way you present accusations without even looking things up beforehand makes you look pretty bad.
    - missedthecue 4y ago
      So 70% are central America. Throw in South America and it's an even higher percentage that are Latino. I'd call that an accurate perception of reality, not "upsetting as fuck." And this startup is trying to provide valuable services that improve their lives. Why does it upset you so?
      - 29athrowaway 4y ago
        If less than 13% of Latinos are undocumented, to say Latino = undocumented is not an accurate perception of reality. And the part that I characterized as being "upsetting as fuck" is the false premise that most US Latinos are tourists or immigrants not eligible for a bank account rather than the reality which is that most US Latinos are US citizens that do not need this fucking application to do banking whatsoever or their unintelligent founders with savior complex that do not even know the difference between a Latino and someone ineligible for a bank account. It invalidates the fact Latinos have been here for a long time and formed families and participate of society in a law abiding way, and now in a few words from this guy they're all back to being tourists and illegals that can't even open a bank account. Fuck! You guys know how to make someone upset. Go to Puerto Rico, California, Florida or Texas and socialize a little bit before making such uninformed claims.
        missedthecue 4y ago
        I think the relevant consideration is not the number of latinos that are undocumented, but the number of undocumented that are latino. I work at a company that helps US employers provide H2-A visas and benefits to undocumented immigrants, including banking services, so I'm not totally uninformed here.
        29athrowaway 4y ago
        That was not the point of contention, you are just rephrasing things in a desperate attempt to save face and sound logical. Most Latinos are not undocumented and to make that generalization, which you did, is discriminatory. Use all weasel and misleading language you want. I know what you are trying to achieve, and you have failed at it.

29athrowaway 4y ago

What do you think is the proportion of legal and illegal Latinos? What you say implies something close to 99% of Latinos are undocumented, and that's not even remotely true. If there are 60 million Latinos in the US, and 11 undocumented immigrants of all national origins, that means your statement is false as well as intellectually dishonest. And some of those might as well be descendants of US citizens removed via ethnic cleansing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

missedthecue 4y ago
I don't think I implied that. How many undocumented immigrants in the US do you think are not Latino?
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  DHS numbers from 2014[1]: - India: 4% - Philippines: 3% - China: 2% - Korea: 2% - Vietnam: 2% - Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Dominican Republic: 70% - Other: 17% The number of illegal immigrants from Mexico and El Salvador are going down. Mexicans are no longer the majority. [1]: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unauthorized%20Immigrant%20Population%20Estimates%20in%20the%20US%20January%202014_1.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unautho... Anyways, the way you present accusations without even looking things up beforehand makes you look pretty bad.
  - missedthecue 4y ago
    So 70% are central America. Throw in South America and it's an even higher percentage that are Latino. I'd call that an accurate perception of reality, not "upsetting as fuck." And this startup is trying to provide valuable services that improve their lives. Why does it upset you so?
    - 29athrowaway 4y ago
      If less than 13% of Latinos are undocumented, to say Latino = undocumented is not an accurate perception of reality. And the part that I characterized as being "upsetting as fuck" is the false premise that most US Latinos are tourists or immigrants not eligible for a bank account rather than the reality which is that most US Latinos are US citizens that do not need this fucking application to do banking whatsoever or their unintelligent founders with savior complex that do not even know the difference between a Latino and someone ineligible for a bank account. It invalidates the fact Latinos have been here for a long time and formed families and participate of society in a law abiding way, and now in a few words from this guy they're all back to being tourists and illegals that can't even open a bank account. Fuck! You guys know how to make someone upset. Go to Puerto Rico, California, Florida or Texas and socialize a little bit before making such uninformed claims.
      - missedthecue 4y ago
        I think the relevant consideration is not the number of latinos that are undocumented, but the number of undocumented that are latino. I work at a company that helps US employers provide H2-A visas and benefits to undocumented immigrants, including banking services, so I'm not totally uninformed here.
        29athrowaway 4y ago
        That was not the point of contention, you are just rephrasing things in a desperate attempt to save face and sound logical. Most Latinos are not undocumented and to make that generalization, which you did, is discriminatory. Use all weasel and misleading language you want. I know what you are trying to achieve, and you have failed at it.