3 ms·

Are you being clueless on purpose? You want to tell random regular office workers to mess with wine on Linux? Does it really baffle you? I use linux desktop an

by _8j50 4y ago

Are you being clueless on purpose? You want to tell random regular office workers to mess with wine on Linux? Does it really baffle you? I use linux desktop and it is ridiculosuly janky and messy. I mean I assume you have no idea what sort of requirements IT shops and users at regular businesses have. I mean really? At least say MacOS or something but even with the excellent UI and managability and apple support it still would be a terrible fit as a default unless you are a startup with techies or s tech first business like uber, graphic designers, digital publishers and such. Let me tell you how absurd this shit is and how clueless you are all being here: even if you had a magic wand that mad linux nice and usable like macos and you managed to get every random business app to work reliably and in a managable way you still have people that want to run random windows programs because of preference or because a client requires it,etc... and the moment that internally developed app by a client doesn't work in wine what then? Is wine offering paid support and SLAs? Matter of fact are all the alternative apps that magically work also come with reliable support or are off to github issues begging and pleading devs? Been there, done that lol. Forget standard OS, outside of tech companies you can't even support Linux desktop for internal devs and IT people that promise they can manage it on their own. Let me say one final thing here: people like you are hurting Linux Desktop more than anyone else. You pretend it is great instead of calling it what it is so it can improve. All is well and only idiots don't like it puh! And each time someone thinks you know what you are talking about it becomes that much less likely to be supported for general use because general users are now alienated. It works, I like it and use it daily when it does. But relatively speaking it is bottom tier shit for general business use.

kobalsky 4y ago
I will agree that using wine is not something we would consider using, but >>> It works, I like it and use it daily when it does. But relatively speaking it is bottom tier shit for general business use. that's definitely a problem on your end. we've been running linux on laptops and desktops using puppet for configuration and native packaging to distribute our own modifications for almost a decade now and I wouldn't change it for anything. our software requirements are simple, but you did say "general business". some of our employees don't know the word linux, but they have been using it for years.
- _8j50 4y ago
  The thing you should appreciate is how wildly diverse "general business" is. Will you seriously tell me that office workers can be as productive and happy using a Linux desktop as with MacOs (to not get into unix vs windows bs)? Just the UI consistency alone is a killer on mac. You mentioned puppet and all that but that requires being able to hire people to manage that. Objectively speaking the personell cost alone is significant. 4-5 years ago Linux server admins cost 20% or more more. With desktop I would imagine a lot higher? Not to mention you would need to reimplement ad dependent stuff like dns, and pki in most orgs. And any new IT vendor/product you try to evaluate to help with some business need will also need to be compatible with a Linux enviroment which is pretty specific to you (unlike AD/Windows or Jamf/Mac).
- throwaway049 4y ago
  I wanted to go back to Linux desktop at home earlier this year. I installed a mainstream distro with default options. The first time screensaver activated I was unable to unlock without jumping to a vt and doing stuff on the command line. I don't have time for that so gave up. I've previously been a regular user and gave up because of poor multi monitor support. Seems things actually went backward while I was away.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    For me what irks me is that I customize the hell out it and things break. Right no I have a simple openbox install but disabled avahi and a bunch of things I don't need. Took a day to get it working but still, after login it hangs for 5min+ before the desktop+taskbar shows up. Haven't even found an error logged somewhere. It also waits for 2 min on a shutdown job when turning it off. I just accept stuff like this and tolerate it.

by _8j50 4y ago

kobalsky 4y ago

I will agree that using wine is not something we would consider using, but >>> It works, I like it and use it daily when it does. But relatively speaking it is bottom tier shit for general business use. that's definitely a problem on your end. we've been running linux on laptops and desktops using puppet for configuration and native packaging to distribute our own modifications for almost a decade now and I wouldn't change it for anything. our software requirements are simple, but you did say "general business". some of our employees don't know the word linux, but they have been using it for years.

_8j50 4y ago
The thing you should appreciate is how wildly diverse "general business" is. Will you seriously tell me that office workers can be as productive and happy using a Linux desktop as with MacOs (to not get into unix vs windows bs)? Just the UI consistency alone is a killer on mac. You mentioned puppet and all that but that requires being able to hire people to manage that. Objectively speaking the personell cost alone is significant. 4-5 years ago Linux server admins cost 20% or more more. With desktop I would imagine a lot higher? Not to mention you would need to reimplement ad dependent stuff like dns, and pki in most orgs. And any new IT vendor/product you try to evaluate to help with some business need will also need to be compatible with a Linux enviroment which is pretty specific to you (unlike AD/Windows or Jamf/Mac).
throwaway049 4y ago
I wanted to go back to Linux desktop at home earlier this year. I installed a mainstream distro with default options. The first time screensaver activated I was unable to unlock without jumping to a vt and doing stuff on the command line. I don't have time for that so gave up. I've previously been a regular user and gave up because of poor multi monitor support. Seems things actually went backward while I was away.
- _8j50 4y ago
  For me what irks me is that I customize the hell out it and things break. Right no I have a simple openbox install but disabled avahi and a bunch of things I don't need. Took a day to get it working but still, after login it hangs for 5min+ before the desktop+taskbar shows up. Haven't even found an error logged somewhere. It also waits for 2 min on a shutdown job when turning it off. I just accept stuff like this and tolerate it.