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Still though, Isn't the socioeconomic situation of a person a much better metric compared to the race of an individual? There are minorities that are doing exce

Still though, Isn't the socioeconomic situation of a person a much better metric compared to the race of an individual? There are minorities that are doing exceedingly well, but the same cant be said for those who have a poor socioeconomic status.

IceMetalPunk 4y ago
Sure, but (a) the socioeconomic status of a person is already used as the basis for financial aid; affirmative action doesn't replace that, it's supplementary to it; and (b) affirmative action isn't meant to be a way to determine whether someone will be able to afford college, it's meant to combat peoples' opportunity to be accepted to a college, an obstacle which is based more on race/gender/etc. than socioeconomic status. The two are used to complement each other, not compete.
- 999900000999 4y ago
  >the socioeconomic status of a person is already used as the basis for financial aid Well you're getting no financial aid at all if your estranged from your abusive parents. This is what happened to me, I did get some help, the rare times my mother wanted to cooperate. For the last year of college she didn't. It would do better for society to completely ban affirmative action, but stop requiring parental income information on financial aid forms. I've had so many friends, who had to run away from abusive homes, since their own parents liked to hurt them. As in like, one friend reflecting on her abusive relationship with her parents, said "Cops complicate things". And when this happens, you don't want to document it. You don't want to build a massive paper trail, to prove you've been abused. Even if you can, getting a dependency override is ridiculously hard . If you have abusive parents, society tells you no college for you until you're 24, unless you somehow mystically pull enough money out of your behind to pay out of pocket . A black kid with a supportive single mother, even if they struggle, even if she barely makes minimum wage. Is doing much better than an Asian kid with a parent who beats him. That's my point. Affirmative Action ignores this. I think domestic violence is so common , that we just need to give everyone a bit of help. It doesn't matter what you look like.
- overrun11 4y ago
  Currently there is far lower proportional representation of low income students in college than of any race targeted by affirmative action. So clearly something isn't working. Low income students are obviously disadvantaged in the admissions process and current affirmative action processes are not remedying it. So the question remains: why shouldn't socioeconomic status be added as a factor for affirmative action?

IceMetalPunk 4y ago

Sure, but (a) the socioeconomic status of a person is already used as the basis for financial aid; affirmative action doesn't replace that, it's supplementary to it; and (b) affirmative action isn't meant to be a way to determine whether someone will be able to afford college, it's meant to combat peoples' opportunity to be accepted to a college, an obstacle which is based more on race/gender/etc. than socioeconomic status. The two are used to complement each other, not compete.

999900000999 4y ago
>the socioeconomic status of a person is already used as the basis for financial aid Well you're getting no financial aid at all if your estranged from your abusive parents. This is what happened to me, I did get some help, the rare times my mother wanted to cooperate. For the last year of college she didn't. It would do better for society to completely ban affirmative action, but stop requiring parental income information on financial aid forms. I've had so many friends, who had to run away from abusive homes, since their own parents liked to hurt them. As in like, one friend reflecting on her abusive relationship with her parents, said "Cops complicate things". And when this happens, you don't want to document it. You don't want to build a massive paper trail, to prove you've been abused. Even if you can, getting a dependency override is ridiculously hard . If you have abusive parents, society tells you no college for you until you're 24, unless you somehow mystically pull enough money out of your behind to pay out of pocket . A black kid with a supportive single mother, even if they struggle, even if she barely makes minimum wage. Is doing much better than an Asian kid with a parent who beats him. That's my point. Affirmative Action ignores this. I think domestic violence is so common , that we just need to give everyone a bit of help. It doesn't matter what you look like.
overrun11 4y ago
Currently there is far lower proportional representation of low income students in college than of any race targeted by affirmative action. So clearly something isn't working. Low income students are obviously disadvantaged in the admissions process and current affirmative action processes are not remedying it. So the question remains: why shouldn't socioeconomic status be added as a factor for affirmative action?