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3.5 million visits is small in current internet terms. And now having a look, it is a small text message system. No media, no video, not many images. Sorry, but

by alecco 18y ago

3.5 million visits is small in current internet terms. And now having a look, it is a small text message system. No media, no video, not many images. Sorry, but it's not a good example at all.

jm4 18y ago
Where is your site that receives 3.5M visits per month? It doesn't matter what language or platform you use. Handling 3.5M visits takes some thought. In fact, where can we find anything to support your language-bashing in your last few posts? I see you knocking down other people's suggestions without putting forth anything of substance yourself.
- alecco 18y ago
  First, please take a deep breathe. This is a technical discussion and it doesn't necessarily need to have "a winner." Second, please look my other posts 4 and 6 minutes before this one you just did. On a C++ thread some people above say the thread creator should use Java. I refuted that argument with my opinion and reasoning. It is not bashing: bash: - To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism. -ing When you deliberately attack a person using offensive and/or inappropriate language. See on top of this page: "Suppose I wanted to write a C++ based web application... [...] But what if I just wanted to write plain C++?" Can't Java people play along? Can't you guys even play pretend? There are very good comments in this thread (both pro and con.) And if you think C++ Web Applications are a bad idea, fine, say so and state your case. There was no need to bring up Java. Of course you are free to do so. But that allows others (moi) to counter-argue with you. Thank you.
  - wheels 18y ago
    For the record, I am a C++ person, not a Java person. C++ is far and away my strongest language. Nevertheless, I believe that for general web app development, if you want something in the C++ family of languages, Java is more appropriate. At my startup we use a handful of languages for different tasks, C++ and Java among them. I don't think anyone would have really jumped on the memory comment originally, but what made the thread asbestos-o-riffic however was the assertion that Java is inappropriate for a startup, which is, well, just plain silly.
    - alecco 18y ago
      But I never said that. I don't even think that. It depends completely on the startup's goal. In a comment 15 hours ago I stated it's probably not worth it due to current cheap hosting prices.
      - wheels 18y ago
        You didn't, jgalvez did, and that's where most of this discussion forked off from.
  - axod 18y ago
    I'm certainly not a "java" person, but I take objection to bashing a language like java with no reasons to back it up. Web apps can work in any language (I wrote a couple in assembly once)... Choosing the language is not really that important.
axod 18y ago
At peak it handles 500+ lines of chat a second. That's quite a bit more than twitter. It also has around twice the number of peak users than Meebo rooms. So although it's certainly not a massive site, it has taken some thought to scale. Having big images/videos wouldn't really make any difference to which language you choose. That's just static media files which are irrelevant. I really don't see how having more images on the page would make it harder to scale :/ if only the site were as simple as serving up some images...
- michaelneale 18y ago
  >I really don't see how having more images on the page would make it harder to scale :/ if only the site were as simple as serving up some images... Apparently that is all too hard for some web 2.0 startups.

by alecco 18y ago

3.5 million visits is small in current internet terms. And now having a look, it is a small text message system. No media, no video, not many images. Sorry, but it's not a good example at all.

jm4 18y ago

Where is your site that receives 3.5M visits per month? It doesn't matter what language or platform you use. Handling 3.5M visits takes some thought. In fact, where can we find anything to support your language-bashing in your last few posts? I see you knocking down other people's suggestions without putting forth anything of substance yourself.

alecco 18y ago
First, please take a deep breathe. This is a technical discussion and it doesn't necessarily need to have "a winner." Second, please look my other posts 4 and 6 minutes before this one you just did. On a C++ thread some people above say the thread creator should use Java. I refuted that argument with my opinion and reasoning. It is not bashing: bash: - To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism. -ing When you deliberately attack a person using offensive and/or inappropriate language. See on top of this page: "Suppose I wanted to write a C++ based web application... [...] But what if I just wanted to write plain C++?" Can't Java people play along? Can't you guys even play pretend? There are very good comments in this thread (both pro and con.) And if you think C++ Web Applications are a bad idea, fine, say so and state your case. There was no need to bring up Java. Of course you are free to do so. But that allows others (moi) to counter-argue with you. Thank you.
- wheels 18y ago
  For the record, I am a C++ person, not a Java person. C++ is far and away my strongest language. Nevertheless, I believe that for general web app development, if you want something in the C++ family of languages, Java is more appropriate. At my startup we use a handful of languages for different tasks, C++ and Java among them. I don't think anyone would have really jumped on the memory comment originally, but what made the thread asbestos-o-riffic however was the assertion that Java is inappropriate for a startup, which is, well, just plain silly.
  - alecco 18y ago
    But I never said that. I don't even think that. It depends completely on the startup's goal. In a comment 15 hours ago I stated it's probably not worth it due to current cheap hosting prices.
    - wheels 18y ago
      You didn't, jgalvez did, and that's where most of this discussion forked off from.
- axod 18y ago
  I'm certainly not a "java" person, but I take objection to bashing a language like java with no reasons to back it up. Web apps can work in any language (I wrote a couple in assembly once)... Choosing the language is not really that important.

axod 18y ago

At peak it handles 500+ lines of chat a second. That's quite a bit more than twitter. It also has around twice the number of peak users than Meebo rooms. So although it's certainly not a massive site, it has taken some thought to scale. Having big images/videos wouldn't really make any difference to which language you choose. That's just static media files which are irrelevant. I really don't see how having more images on the page would make it harder to scale :/ if only the site were as simple as serving up some images...

michaelneale 18y ago
>I really don't see how having more images on the page would make it harder to scale :/ if only the site were as simple as serving up some images... Apparently that is all too hard for some web 2.0 startups.