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I am Muslim (Shia), originally from Iran, and I am very sorry for this. I am even a little bit on the conservative side religiously speaking. This kind of beha

by yuyyy 4y ago

I am Muslim (Shia), originally from Iran, and I am very sorry for this. I am even a little bit on the conservative side religiously speaking. This kind of behaviour is not related to us or our religion, no matter what the fundamentalists say. I hope they punish the attacker(s) in harshest possible way! And that should be a lesson for anyone who attacks defenceless people.

bongoman37 4y ago
choko 4y ago
You have no reason to be sorry; you didn't stab him. People aren't responsible for the actions of other people by virtue of sharing some traits.
bogomipz 4y ago
It very much is related to Iran though. Why has no Grand Ayatolloah since ever rescinded the fatwa? Grand Ayatollahs can supersede their predecessors yet this has never been done. In fact it 1997 it was actually reaffirmed and celebrated by a member of the Assembly of Experts. See: https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html
exolymph 4y ago
I'm Christian, so I'm unfortunately also familiar with the feeling of horror and shame when someone does something awful in the name of God. Bad feeling when someone from a group you belong to does harm and claims that you endorse it. I guess we can only pray for everyone involved. I hope Mr. Rushdie makes a full recovery! He is a very brave man.
- swat535 4y ago
  I am an Iranian Christian (Catholic) so for me it’s very distressing personally when these things happen as the majority of my family are Muslims. I also get upset when my fellow Christians exhibit similar behaviours in the name of Christ and Lord knows we have seen too many examples of these recently. I love our Abrahamic brothers despite our differences. I will be praying for Mr Salmon Rushdie as well.
the_third_wave 4y ago
> This kind of behaviour is not related to us or our religion, no matter what the fundamentalists say. Who gets to say what is done in the name of your religion? There are plenty of islamic clerics (of all stripes) who support these actions and there are many followers of these clerics who do the same. While your denunciation of these activities is commendable it does not mean all your fellows in Mohammed are in agreement. Where the Catholic church has a clearly defined leadership structure which gets to say what goes and what does not in the name of the church this is not the case for Islam nor is it the case for the various Christian Protestant denominations. The lack of a central leadership figure or council means that the denunciation of these activities has to come from the adherents of your religion - like you did here. It also means those adherents need to speak up in public about their denunciation and they need to pressure their leaders - of which there are many - to do the same. It is this what is lacking and it is this what has made it possible for Khomeini's fatwa to still be in force after decades. Speak up and speak loudly, have your mullahs and imams and other leaders do the same so that eventually the fatwa - and all similar fatwas - will be nullified. Until this happens, until those leaders clearly state that they denounce the actions of both those leaders which have called for such manhunts as well as those who heeded those calls it can not be said that those calls are not made in the name of your religion.
fellellor 4y ago
A common Muslim like yourself might say these actions are barbaric and not representative of your religion. But Islam isn’t having a reputation of being wholly arbitrary. A vast majority of Islamic scholars will and have justified the injunctions against Rushdie or any blasphemer. And fundamentalism is a misnomer when it comes to Islam because any deviation from fundamentals is violently opposed. It’s a religion that never moved away from fundamentals. It has never had any reform that secularised and drew power away from the clergy. You are probably a good, kind person but when this happens to Rushdie or any blasphemer it represents exactly what unreformed Islam is.
shmde 4y ago
I have a serious question regarding sacred texts and original interpretation of said holy text inside the religion. If lets say 100 people follow religion "X". The religious text says to "Love thy neighbour". After a century, 90 out of the 100 people turn violent on their neighbours. Can the 10 good people of the religion still use the argument that "this kind of behaviour is not related to our religion, no matter what the 90 people did" to defend their religion ?
- wizofaus 4y ago
  The 90 that turned violent are just as likely to claim those those who didn't join them are the ones not representing or practicing their religion faithfully, so what do you think?
  - curtainsforus 4y ago
    In this case, the people claiming that the textually-approved course of action is killing the blasphemer are correct.
throw7847away 4y ago
Don't feel sorry. You did nothing wrong. Please embrace truth. No religion is perfect. First acknowledge that only then reform can happen. Blindly dismissing anything against your religion causes more harm and you are supporting it in a way.

by yuyyy 4y ago

bongoman37 4y ago

choko 4y ago

You have no reason to be sorry; you didn't stab him. People aren't responsible for the actions of other people by virtue of sharing some traits.

bogomipz 4y ago

It very much is related to Iran though. Why has no Grand Ayatolloah since ever rescinded the fatwa? Grand Ayatollahs can supersede their predecessors yet this has never been done. In fact it 1997 it was actually reaffirmed and celebrated by a member of the Assembly of Experts. See: https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html https://www.rferl.org/a/1089601.html

exolymph 4y ago

I'm Christian, so I'm unfortunately also familiar with the feeling of horror and shame when someone does something awful in the name of God. Bad feeling when someone from a group you belong to does harm and claims that you endorse it. I guess we can only pray for everyone involved. I hope Mr. Rushdie makes a full recovery! He is a very brave man.

swat535 4y ago
I am an Iranian Christian (Catholic) so for me it’s very distressing personally when these things happen as the majority of my family are Muslims. I also get upset when my fellow Christians exhibit similar behaviours in the name of Christ and Lord knows we have seen too many examples of these recently. I love our Abrahamic brothers despite our differences. I will be praying for Mr Salmon Rushdie as well.

the_third_wave 4y ago

> This kind of behaviour is not related to us or our religion, no matter what the fundamentalists say. Who gets to say what is done in the name of your religion? There are plenty of islamic clerics (of all stripes) who support these actions and there are many followers of these clerics who do the same. While your denunciation of these activities is commendable it does not mean all your fellows in Mohammed are in agreement. Where the Catholic church has a clearly defined leadership structure which gets to say what goes and what does not in the name of the church this is not the case for Islam nor is it the case for the various Christian Protestant denominations. The lack of a central leadership figure or council means that the denunciation of these activities has to come from the adherents of your religion - like you did here. It also means those adherents need to speak up in public about their denunciation and they need to pressure their leaders - of which there are many - to do the same. It is this what is lacking and it is this what has made it possible for Khomeini's fatwa to still be in force after decades. Speak up and speak loudly, have your mullahs and imams and other leaders do the same so that eventually the fatwa - and all similar fatwas - will be nullified. Until this happens, until those leaders clearly state that they denounce the actions of both those leaders which have called for such manhunts as well as those who heeded those calls it can not be said that those calls are not made in the name of your religion.

fellellor 4y ago

A common Muslim like yourself might say these actions are barbaric and not representative of your religion. But Islam isn’t having a reputation of being wholly arbitrary. A vast majority of Islamic scholars will and have justified the injunctions against Rushdie or any blasphemer. And fundamentalism is a misnomer when it comes to Islam because any deviation from fundamentals is violently opposed. It’s a religion that never moved away from fundamentals. It has never had any reform that secularised and drew power away from the clergy. You are probably a good, kind person but when this happens to Rushdie or any blasphemer it represents exactly what unreformed Islam is.

shmde 4y ago

I have a serious question regarding sacred texts and original interpretation of said holy text inside the religion. If lets say 100 people follow religion "X". The religious text says to "Love thy neighbour". After a century, 90 out of the 100 people turn violent on their neighbours. Can the 10 good people of the religion still use the argument that "this kind of behaviour is not related to our religion, no matter what the 90 people did" to defend their religion ?

wizofaus 4y ago
The 90 that turned violent are just as likely to claim those those who didn't join them are the ones not representing or practicing their religion faithfully, so what do you think?
- curtainsforus 4y ago
  In this case, the people claiming that the textually-approved course of action is killing the blasphemer are correct.

throw7847away 4y ago

Don't feel sorry. You did nothing wrong. Please embrace truth. No religion is perfect. First acknowledge that only then reform can happen. Blindly dismissing anything against your religion causes more harm and you are supporting it in a way.