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I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific

by naet 4y ago

I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific monopoly, and arguably a worse one with less pressure to change. As a web developer iOS is the most infuriating platform at the moment for me. There are some random nonstandard features. Just this last month I had an issue with ios "low power mode" causing webkit to throttle all browser animation frame requests by half, with no way to override or even check if it is on. There are open complaints and issues about this going back years but nobody can change it without Apple's blessing, which they don't give, so it affects every browser on iOS with no recourse. I have had tons of iphone browser specific issues and I am pretty sure their platform monopoly is a big part of why they go ages without being addressed. If there was real competition on the ios browser market they might push each other to do better by comparison.

_chu1 4y ago
> I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific monopoly, and arguably a worse one with less pressure to change. Safari has no pressure to change because it literally can't, Apple WebKit is the ONLY rendering engine on iOS. But for Apple's love of avoiding standards, you won't usually find people who care or who are concerned about it until it actually gets in your way (your issue for example), for the most part nobody cares about USB-C not being universal for iPhones as I'm the 14-24 demographic in the US and everyone sees USB-C as the "Android" charger or even funnier the "vape" charger, and they see Lightning port as the only phone charger ever made (I genuinely had to remind my sister that 40-pin is a thing), and for example that's all I can talk on because none of the other things have genuinely got in my way (mainly because my only Apple products are over 10 years old).
babypuncher 4y ago
It's a net positive in that it is the only thing stopping Google from having complete dominance of the web. Both are problems that need to be solved
- greggman3 4y ago
  You solve that problem by making a better browser, not by limiting user choice.
  - wyre 4y ago
    Firefox has, more or less, consistently been a better browser than Chrome, but because Google has a monopoly on the internet Chrome gets the majority of the market share. A better product cannot defeat a monopoly.
    - greggman3 4y ago
      Firefox is not better than Chrome.
      - eitland 4y ago
        Tell me what plugin I use to get tree style tabs on Chrome? Tell me when did Google stop sending my every single keystroke to Googleplex? And when did it stop eating all my RAM? Google is closer to Firefox than before, but mostly because of Mozilla :-/
scarface74 4y ago
Why should you as a web developer be able to bypass settings that keep the client’s phone from running out of battery life?

by naet 4y ago

_chu1 4y ago

> I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific monopoly, and arguably a worse one with less pressure to change. Safari has no pressure to change because it literally can't, Apple WebKit is the ONLY rendering engine on iOS. But for Apple's love of avoiding standards, you won't usually find people who care or who are concerned about it until it actually gets in your way (your issue for example), for the most part nobody cares about USB-C not being universal for iPhones as I'm the 14-24 demographic in the US and everyone sees USB-C as the "Android" charger or even funnier the "vape" charger, and they see Lightning port as the only phone charger ever made (I genuinely had to remind my sister that 40-pin is a thing), and for example that's all I can talk on because none of the other things have genuinely got in my way (mainly because my only Apple products are over 10 years old).

babypuncher 4y ago

It's a net positive in that it is the only thing stopping Google from having complete dominance of the web. Both are problems that need to be solved

greggman3 4y ago
You solve that problem by making a better browser, not by limiting user choice.
- wyre 4y ago
  Firefox has, more or less, consistently been a better browser than Chrome, but because Google has a monopoly on the internet Chrome gets the majority of the market share. A better product cannot defeat a monopoly.
  - greggman3 4y ago
    Firefox is not better than Chrome.
    - eitland 4y ago
      Tell me what plugin I use to get tree style tabs on Chrome? Tell me when did Google stop sending my every single keystroke to Googleplex? And when did it stop eating all my RAM? Google is closer to Firefox than before, but mostly because of Mozilla :-/

scarface74 4y ago

Why should you as a web developer be able to bypass settings that keep the client’s phone from running out of battery life?