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Please just stop. The people/bands I download are not ones I'd pay for right out of the gate. For example: Pink Floyd. I hear a lot about them, but don't know

by ggwicz 15y ago

Please just stop. The people/bands I download are not ones I'd pay for right out of the gate. For example: Pink Floyd. I hear a lot about them, but don't know if I'd like them. So I downloaded some of their popular albums for free and gave them a listen. After recovering from the awesomeness, I've since bought two of those albums on iTunes, and yesterday 3 friends and I each dropped $78 on tickets for a concert with one of the old band members. If I could only pay for it, which is the record company's ideal world, I would've seen the $16.99 price tag on iTunes and not taken the chance of listening to it. The people downloading something illegally are, for the most part, not the same people who'd be paying for it.

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- kijin 15y ago
  > the music industry is hemorrhaging money [citation required]
  - libraryatnight 15y ago
    That's what I was going to ask. Many papers I find sifting through looking for evidence supporting this, actually refute this claim. So I'm curious what sources this poster is using.
  - nissimk 15y ago
    Here's a citation arguing that pirated content has no impact on DVD sales "With respect to the impact of piracy on sales, we use the television broadcast as an exogenous demand shock and find that the availability of pirated content at the time of broadcast has no effect on post broadcast DVD sales gains.": http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/~rtelang/SmithTelang.pdf http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/~rtelang/SmithTelang.pdf These guys say that pre-release pirated movies result in a 15% decline in box office revenue "We estimate that the net effect of pre-release piracy is approximately a 15% reduction in box office sales.": http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1782924 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1782924
jaaron 15y ago
Though these days with services like Spotify, Rdio, and Pandora, you have free, legal access to huge libraries of music. It's at least enough to allow for use cases like the one you mention. Yes, I know these services are not available in many jurisdictions and that's a shame and I believe it will change over time. Point is, the situation is getting better and the so called "need" to pirate music is increasingly gone.
- ggwicz 15y ago
  Yes, the need is going down. That's one reason why this law is unnecessary.
firefoxman1 15y ago
Honestly, I don't think the biggest threat to the music industry is pirates. I think it's bands leaving to start their own label or move to great indie labels like Vangard. iTunes has truly lowered the barrier of entry for a band. I'm not going to say any other bands are like this, but a couple years ago I was at a Carbon Leaf concert and the lead singer said "Here's what we want everyone to do: go buy our new CD outside after the concert, then go home and burn a few copies for your friends...just don't tell our record company." Well I did as I was told and I now have several friends who have bought many of their other albums , attended a few concerts, and bought some T-shirts and whatnot all because I shared that one CD with them. I'm sure at least a few hundred other fans were gained with this method. Oh, and I was turned on to the band because my father shared with me a CD his brother burned for him. The band has since switched to their own private label. I've noticed a few semi-big bands producing their own records lately. By the time piracy gets "stopped" (never) the record companies will have died from natural causes.

by ggwicz 15y ago

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kijin 15y ago
> the music industry is hemorrhaging money [citation required]
- libraryatnight 15y ago
  That's what I was going to ask. Many papers I find sifting through looking for evidence supporting this, actually refute this claim. So I'm curious what sources this poster is using.
- nissimk 15y ago
  Here's a citation arguing that pirated content has no impact on DVD sales "With respect to the impact of piracy on sales, we use the television broadcast as an exogenous demand shock and find that the availability of pirated content at the time of broadcast has no effect on post broadcast DVD sales gains.": http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/~rtelang/SmithTelang.pdf http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/~rtelang/SmithTelang.pdf These guys say that pre-release pirated movies result in a 15% decline in box office revenue "We estimate that the net effect of pre-release piracy is approximately a 15% reduction in box office sales.": http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1782924 http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1782924

jaaron 15y ago

Though these days with services like Spotify, Rdio, and Pandora, you have free, legal access to huge libraries of music. It's at least enough to allow for use cases like the one you mention. Yes, I know these services are not available in many jurisdictions and that's a shame and I believe it will change over time. Point is, the situation is getting better and the so called "need" to pirate music is increasingly gone.

ggwicz 15y ago
Yes, the need is going down. That's one reason why this law is unnecessary.

firefoxman1 15y ago

Honestly, I don't think the biggest threat to the music industry is pirates. I think it's bands leaving to start their own label or move to great indie labels like Vangard. iTunes has truly lowered the barrier of entry for a band. I'm not going to say any other bands are like this, but a couple years ago I was at a Carbon Leaf concert and the lead singer said "Here's what we want everyone to do: go buy our new CD outside after the concert, then go home and burn a few copies for your friends...just don't tell our record company." Well I did as I was told and I now have several friends who have bought many of their other albums , attended a few concerts, and bought some T-shirts and whatnot all because I shared that one CD with them. I'm sure at least a few hundred other fans were gained with this method. Oh, and I was turned on to the band because my father shared with me a CD his brother burned for him. The band has since switched to their own private label. I've noticed a few semi-big bands producing their own records lately. By the time piracy gets "stopped" (never) the record companies will have died from natural causes.