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Isn't this kind of like the dev of SMTP getting arrested because two people committed a crime by communicating through email?

closeparen 4y ago
Communication providers are not required to obtain licenses and mitigate illegal content in the same way that money service businesses are required to mitigate money laundering. Some people think they should be! I don't agree. But it is a thing governments could do.
jiggawatts 4y ago
Or arresting Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, or Leonard Adleman for helping criminals hide their communications from law enforcement.
- diogenes1 4y ago
  this right here, is the crux of the argument
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    If they were getting a cut from whenever illegal activities were done.. maybe.
    - WFHRenaissance 4y ago
      You do know RSA is a company too, right? What are the odds that RSA SecurID has been used by bad actors before? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security
- closeparen 4y ago
  The difference is lawmakers have regulated money service businesses and have not regulated cryptography. If they had regulated cryptography, then yes making RSA available to the public could be a crime.
probably_wrong 4y ago
In my opinion, this (very popular!) line of reasoning is missing the forest for the trees. A knife is widely regarded as a tool that's legal to own and that, save a few precautions, you can carry with you. Switchblades, despite being also knives, are widely considered dangerous and their sale and possession is overall restricted (presumably) due to a strong correlation between the presence of a switchblade and stabbings. Just because SMTP and Tornado are protocols it doesn't mean they are the same - one is a protocol enabling a wide range of activities (some of them criminal, some not) while the other is literally designed to hide the origin of money, an activity that most governments frown upon.
- akimball 4y ago
  That presumption would be incorrect

closeparen 4y ago

Communication providers are not required to obtain licenses and mitigate illegal content in the same way that money service businesses are required to mitigate money laundering. Some people think they should be! I don't agree. But it is a thing governments could do.

jiggawatts 4y ago

Or arresting Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, or Leonard Adleman for helping criminals hide their communications from law enforcement.

diogenes1 4y ago
this right here, is the crux of the argument
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  If they were getting a cut from whenever illegal activities were done.. maybe.
  - WFHRenaissance 4y ago
    You do know RSA is a company too, right? What are the odds that RSA SecurID has been used by bad actors before? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_Security
closeparen 4y ago
The difference is lawmakers have regulated money service businesses and have not regulated cryptography. If they had regulated cryptography, then yes making RSA available to the public could be a crime.

probably_wrong 4y ago

In my opinion, this (very popular!) line of reasoning is missing the forest for the trees. A knife is widely regarded as a tool that's legal to own and that, save a few precautions, you can carry with you. Switchblades, despite being also knives, are widely considered dangerous and their sale and possession is overall restricted (presumably) due to a strong correlation between the presence of a switchblade and stabbings. Just because SMTP and Tornado are protocols it doesn't mean they are the same - one is a protocol enabling a wide range of activities (some of them criminal, some not) while the other is literally designed to hide the origin of money, an activity that most governments frown upon.

akimball 4y ago
That presumption would be incorrect