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Good. Still wait for Google to be punished for abusing it market position to push its browser in a much worse manner than Microsoft pushed IE back in the days.

Good. Still wait for Google to be punished for abusing it market position to push its browser in a much worse manner than Microsoft pushed IE back in the days. For those who are new to this game: Microsoft was basically punished for bundling a browser with their operating system. If that was punishable (and thankfully it was), what should we say about the worlds largest advertising company pushing their browser in ad spots so valuable that no others were ever allowed to touch them (the otherwise clean front page of Google)? And of course: with its current behavior, MS should of course be punished again for its abusive use of a dominant position when it tries to stop people from downloading other browsers and tries to prevent people from setting other browsers as default.

bugfix 4y ago
Microsoft now is doing the same with Edge. If you want to change your default browser on Windows 11 you need to individually click and select it for every file extension/protocol.
- eitland 4y ago
  I tried to mention it above, so yes, I absolutely agree.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  I just tried this, there's a "make XYZ your default browser" button at the very top of the page, which changes the default for most of the relevant file extensions. Some, like MHT, it doesn't. Not sure why. But they have everything on one page, so for the extensions it missed, you can easily change. That seems about as simple as one could make it. Is your concern that it didn't change every extension to whichever browser you made the default?
naet 4y ago
I always find it boggling that apple can require all browsers use webkit on ios... it seems so similar to some of the MS stuff you mention.
- eitland 4y ago
  For now it is actually a good thing. But it should probably be looked into the moment the Chrome monopoly is dealt with.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Why is Apple's arrangement a good thing and Google's a bad thing? This is the tricky bit about monopoly breaking... The lack of consistent legal philosophy on what constitutes "monopoly" can be a real problem for fair competition (which translates to more costs and worse product for everyone, as companies shadow-box law hypotheticals rather than just make good product).
    - eitland 4y ago
      Note that I write "for now".
    - babypuncher 4y ago
      Apple's arrangement is only a good thing in the context of Google's otherwise total domination of the browser market. Nobody is saying that Apple's behavior is overall good, just pointing out that Apple's bad behavior just so happens to be keeping someone else's bad behavior in check.
  - naet 4y ago
    I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific monopoly, and arguably a worse one with less pressure to change. As a web developer iOS is the most infuriating platform at the moment for me. There are some random nonstandard features. Just this last month I had an issue with ios "low power mode" causing webkit to throttle all browser animation frame requests by half, with no way to override or even check if it is on. There are open complaints and issues about this going back years but nobody can change it without Apple's blessing, which they don't give, so it affects every browser on iOS with no recourse. I have had tons of iphone browser specific issues and I am pretty sure their platform monopoly is a big part of why they go ages without being addressed. If there was real competition on the ios browser market they might push each other to do better by comparison.
scarface74 4y ago
Microsoft was never “punished” in the US for bundling IE. They were given a slap on the wrist for forcing OEMs to pay for Windows licenses even when they shipped PCs without Windows. Do you notice that at no time before or after the DOJ case there was never a time that MS stopped bundling IE with Windows?

bugfix 4y ago

Microsoft now is doing the same with Edge. If you want to change your default browser on Windows 11 you need to individually click and select it for every file extension/protocol.

eitland 4y ago
I tried to mention it above, so yes, I absolutely agree.
kenjackson 4y ago
I just tried this, there's a "make XYZ your default browser" button at the very top of the page, which changes the default for most of the relevant file extensions. Some, like MHT, it doesn't. Not sure why. But they have everything on one page, so for the extensions it missed, you can easily change. That seems about as simple as one could make it. Is your concern that it didn't change every extension to whichever browser you made the default?

naet 4y ago

I always find it boggling that apple can require all browsers use webkit on ios... it seems so similar to some of the MS stuff you mention.

eitland 4y ago
For now it is actually a good thing. But it should probably be looked into the moment the Chrome monopoly is dealt with.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Why is Apple's arrangement a good thing and Google's a bad thing? This is the tricky bit about monopoly breaking... The lack of consistent legal philosophy on what constitutes "monopoly" can be a real problem for fair competition (which translates to more costs and worse product for everyone, as companies shadow-box law hypotheticals rather than just make good product).
  - eitland 4y ago
    Note that I write "for now".
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    Apple's arrangement is only a good thing in the context of Google's otherwise total domination of the browser market. Nobody is saying that Apple's behavior is overall good, just pointing out that Apple's bad behavior just so happens to be keeping someone else's bad behavior in check.
- naet 4y ago
  I don't find effectively forcing Safari on users to be a good thing. Even if it takes some market share away from Chrome, it just makes a new platform specific monopoly, and arguably a worse one with less pressure to change. As a web developer iOS is the most infuriating platform at the moment for me. There are some random nonstandard features. Just this last month I had an issue with ios "low power mode" causing webkit to throttle all browser animation frame requests by half, with no way to override or even check if it is on. There are open complaints and issues about this going back years but nobody can change it without Apple's blessing, which they don't give, so it affects every browser on iOS with no recourse. I have had tons of iphone browser specific issues and I am pretty sure their platform monopoly is a big part of why they go ages without being addressed. If there was real competition on the ios browser market they might push each other to do better by comparison.

scarface74 4y ago

Microsoft was never “punished” in the US for bundling IE. They were given a slap on the wrist for forcing OEMs to pay for Windows licenses even when they shipped PCs without Windows. Do you notice that at no time before or after the DOJ case there was never a time that MS stopped bundling IE with Windows?