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Think about the systemic problems that would arise if it were customary to pay applicants for the interview. You'd immediately have application farms spamming o

Think about the systemic problems that would arise if it were customary to pay applicants for the interview. You'd immediately have application farms spamming out fake resumes. They'd bomb the actual interview but collect $100+ each time.

Tryk 4y ago
It's unduly burdensome to require the candidate to complete a take-home assignment before even having a interview. Simply first interview the candidate (requires an roughly equal investment in time) and then give take-home for the promising candidates. To compensate for the candidates time you obviously should compensate them. To do otherwise is to create a heavily unbalanced situation for the candidate who might have to complete multiple of these take-home assignments (as you're interviewing multiple candidates they should be interviewing multiple companies).
VoodooJuJu 4y ago
I'm not asking to be paid for the interview, I'm asking to be paid for doing contract work.
- mr-yamasi 4y ago
  Before I agree to pay you for contract work, I need you to do an assessment proving that you are worth being paid for your contract work.
  - VoodooJuJu 4y ago
    >Before I hire you to install a new roof on my house, I need you to install a portion of the roof to prove to me that you're good enough to pay to install a roof. It even sounds absurd. With this kind of attitude, you'll end up having to do your own roofing. Self-respecting men don't work for free. For prospective software employees: stop granting hiring managers absurd entitlements - do not work for free. This industry is not special and it needs to stop pretending like it is.
    - mr-yamasi 4y ago
      Let's not get caught up in metaphors and analogies...but if you install a terrible roof, you don't get a dime you until you fix the leaks. If you come develop for me and do nothing but cry that you can't do a proper slice append in go and you need us to change our stack to elixir because you're used to it, all I get is a fight with HR for 3 months getting a paper trail together to fire you while I pay you $40k. Not to mention there's a whole sales model of household appliances where they very much come in and demonstrate the value of their vacuum before they sell you on one...

Tryk 4y ago

It's unduly burdensome to require the candidate to complete a take-home assignment before even having a interview. Simply first interview the candidate (requires an roughly equal investment in time) and then give take-home for the promising candidates. To compensate for the candidates time you obviously should compensate them. To do otherwise is to create a heavily unbalanced situation for the candidate who might have to complete multiple of these take-home assignments (as you're interviewing multiple candidates they should be interviewing multiple companies).

VoodooJuJu 4y ago

I'm not asking to be paid for the interview, I'm asking to be paid for doing contract work.

mr-yamasi 4y ago
Before I agree to pay you for contract work, I need you to do an assessment proving that you are worth being paid for your contract work.
- VoodooJuJu 4y ago
  >Before I hire you to install a new roof on my house, I need you to install a portion of the roof to prove to me that you're good enough to pay to install a roof. It even sounds absurd. With this kind of attitude, you'll end up having to do your own roofing. Self-respecting men don't work for free. For prospective software employees: stop granting hiring managers absurd entitlements - do not work for free. This industry is not special and it needs to stop pretending like it is.
  - mr-yamasi 4y ago
    Let's not get caught up in metaphors and analogies...but if you install a terrible roof, you don't get a dime you until you fix the leaks. If you come develop for me and do nothing but cry that you can't do a proper slice append in go and you need us to change our stack to elixir because you're used to it, all I get is a fight with HR for 3 months getting a paper trail together to fire you while I pay you $40k. Not to mention there's a whole sales model of household appliances where they very much come in and demonstrate the value of their vacuum before they sell you on one...