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You dont want the government silencing people. You dont want to go down that road. Eventually it leads to you. The way you combat these people (and I didnt l

You dont want the government silencing people. You dont want to go down that road. Eventually it leads to you. The way you combat these people (and I didnt look deep into this persons views) is to call them out and provide truthful information. And then people have to decide for themselves. You will always have a fraction of people who are fools (on any topic) but most people will side with rationality.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> You dont want the government silencing people. You mean, like banning his substack account, in which he tells us about how the government attempted to silence him?
- inawarminister 4y ago
  Someone who got banned from the town square can also move out to the boonies and write his own tract, does that make the first banning legal? Well it is legal in many places, but is it in America?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    Sorry, I don't buy this "Twitter == town square" stuff. I've debated it a lot on HN and elsewhere, and I'm not convinced by any of the arguments I've seen. I know you want it to be true and likely do sincerely believe that it is. I just don't.
toomuchtodo 4y ago
I support the government silencing people causing egregious harm (which the government has the burden of proof to prove). “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Calling them out and providing the truth doesn’t work. Ask the 42 year old who tried to break into the Cincinnati OH FBI office and is dead after a shootout with police. There is a significant amount of the population where there is simply no inoculation against conspiracies and other incoherent reality models. https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-armed-man-who-showed-up-to-fbi-field-office-in-kenwood-cincinnati https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-ar... (Armed Man Who Stormed FBI Office Said He Wanted ‘War’ After Mar-a-Lago Raid)
- nathanaldensr 4y ago
  It's a good thing your opinion doesn't override the US Constitution.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    A piece of paper written hundreds of years ago is always up for interpretation. The rule of law is interpreted by the living, not the dead (with my apologies to Thomas Jefferson). I too am curious how this specific court case will shake out.
- trident5000 4y ago
  I think this is a really naive view. Attempting to expand the "fire" in a crowd limitation to many other speech areas is reckless. The government are just humans, and humans are conniving and motivated by politics. That road leads to an obvious end. You list small examples of when free speech goes bad but I can assure you not having it goes bad in a bigger way for many more people.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    What you call naive, I call rational and pragmatic. Your mistake is giving too much credit to the average human. I encourage you to consider the position when you’re at the business end of a barrel held by someone who isn’t functional enough to think critically/rationally (of course I don’t wish you actual harm if that’s in question). Its easy to pontificate from safety. I was previously a free speech absolutist, but realize the operating environment has changed over the last decade and my beliefs have changed accordingly. I believe that the government must be held accountable and to a high burden when rights are in question, but I also can demonstrate with receipts that there are a lot of batshit crazy people out there.
    - trident5000 4y ago
      "Your mistake is giving too much credit to the average human" again the government are just humans. You seem to think its a single point of godly knowledge and wisdom void of mortals. Its just a small group of people who control a larger group of people and they have private motivations often times not in the public interest. The government (small group of people with outside interests) is constantly wrong and biased on many topics, I would never want them to have a monopoly on free speech or decide what is truth.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago

> You dont want the government silencing people. You mean, like banning his substack account, in which he tells us about how the government attempted to silence him?

inawarminister 4y ago
Someone who got banned from the town square can also move out to the boonies and write his own tract, does that make the first banning legal? Well it is legal in many places, but is it in America?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Sorry, I don't buy this "Twitter == town square" stuff. I've debated it a lot on HN and elsewhere, and I'm not convinced by any of the arguments I've seen. I know you want it to be true and likely do sincerely believe that it is. I just don't.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

I support the government silencing people causing egregious harm (which the government has the burden of proof to prove). “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Calling them out and providing the truth doesn’t work. Ask the 42 year old who tried to break into the Cincinnati OH FBI office and is dead after a shootout with police. There is a significant amount of the population where there is simply no inoculation against conspiracies and other incoherent reality models. https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-armed-man-who-showed-up-to-fbi-field-office-in-kenwood-cincinnati https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-ar... (Armed Man Who Stormed FBI Office Said He Wanted ‘War’ After Mar-a-Lago Raid)

nathanaldensr 4y ago
It's a good thing your opinion doesn't override the US Constitution.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  A piece of paper written hundreds of years ago is always up for interpretation. The rule of law is interpreted by the living, not the dead (with my apologies to Thomas Jefferson). I too am curious how this specific court case will shake out.
trident5000 4y ago
I think this is a really naive view. Attempting to expand the "fire" in a crowd limitation to many other speech areas is reckless. The government are just humans, and humans are conniving and motivated by politics. That road leads to an obvious end. You list small examples of when free speech goes bad but I can assure you not having it goes bad in a bigger way for many more people.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  What you call naive, I call rational and pragmatic. Your mistake is giving too much credit to the average human. I encourage you to consider the position when you’re at the business end of a barrel held by someone who isn’t functional enough to think critically/rationally (of course I don’t wish you actual harm if that’s in question). Its easy to pontificate from safety. I was previously a free speech absolutist, but realize the operating environment has changed over the last decade and my beliefs have changed accordingly. I believe that the government must be held accountable and to a high burden when rights are in question, but I also can demonstrate with receipts that there are a lot of batshit crazy people out there.
  - trident5000 4y ago
    "Your mistake is giving too much credit to the average human" again the government are just humans. You seem to think its a single point of godly knowledge and wisdom void of mortals. Its just a small group of people who control a larger group of people and they have private motivations often times not in the public interest. The government (small group of people with outside interests) is constantly wrong and biased on many topics, I would never want them to have a monopoly on free speech or decide what is truth.