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This guy spreads vaccine and mask disinformation and as a result should be deplatformed. No sympathy for liars.

by gentle 4y ago

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If that were the standard then the entire public health apparatus in most countries would have been banned many months ago. Clearly it's not. You can spread as many lies as you want as long as it's in favor of vaccines and masks. Anyway Berenson has been reliably ahead of the curve on this. He is FAR more accurate and trustworthy than governments have been. The tweet that got him banned said something like "It doesn't stop infection" and pointing out that because the vaccine only reduces symptoms without reducing infection, that makes it a therapeutic. Which is correct.
- skyde 4y ago
  Never seen a vaccine before that train your immune system but doesn’t reduce infection. This just doesn’t make sense! do you have any peer reviews research paper that have data showing it doesn’t reduce infection?
  - skyde 4y ago
    if he mean “does not completely prevent you from getting infected” then this is true. All vaccines do not completely prevent infection. But that’s not a reason to stop calling them what they are and start calling them therapeutic :-)
HonestOp001 4y ago
The disinformation came from the government: 1. Masks work. Nope. Only N95’s are proven. Every study prior to covid deployment showed that masks did not work. All studies comparing the issue show no impact. 2. Vaccines prevent spread. Nope. Government kind of knew this. 3. Vaccines will prevent you from getting covid-19. Nope, natural immunity is probably the only way through it for most of the populace. Sweden’s and Florida’s science based approach turned out to be correct, targeted preventions for at-risk groups. 4. Virus came from a wet market. Anyone going against this insane theory was attacked so viciously that the social media groups cowered in fear of the government. Look what is now being accepted as an option. The government based their approach on a hope that everyone would concurrently get the therapeutic vaccine and freeze the virus to prevent transmission. The problem was the inability to think about the logistics.
trident5000 4y ago
You dont want the government silencing people. You dont want to go down that road. Eventually it leads to you. The way you combat these people (and I didnt look deep into this persons views) is to call them out and provide truthful information. And then people have to decide for themselves. You will always have a fraction of people who are fools (on any topic) but most people will side with rationality.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  > You dont want the government silencing people. You mean, like banning his substack account, in which he tells us about how the government attempted to silence him?
  - inawarminister 4y ago
    Someone who got banned from the town square can also move out to the boonies and write his own tract, does that make the first banning legal? Well it is legal in many places, but is it in America?
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      Sorry, I don't buy this "Twitter == town square" stuff. I've debated it a lot on HN and elsewhere, and I'm not convinced by any of the arguments I've seen. I know you want it to be true and likely do sincerely believe that it is. I just don't.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  I support the government silencing people causing egregious harm (which the government has the burden of proof to prove). “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Calling them out and providing the truth doesn’t work. Ask the 42 year old who tried to break into the Cincinnati OH FBI office and is dead after a shootout with police. There is a significant amount of the population where there is simply no inoculation against conspiracies and other incoherent reality models. https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-armed-man-who-showed-up-to-fbi-field-office-in-kenwood-cincinnati https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-ar... (Armed Man Who Stormed FBI Office Said He Wanted ‘War’ After Mar-a-Lago Raid)

This guy spreads vaccine and mask disinformation and as a result should be deplatformed. No sympathy for liars.

by gentle 4y ago

This guy spreads vaccine and mask disinformation and as a result should be deplatformed. No sympathy for liars.

If that were the standard then the entire public health apparatus in most countries would have been banned many months ago. Clearly it's not. You can spread as many lies as you want as long as it's in favor of vaccines and masks. Anyway Berenson has been reliably ahead of the curve on this. He is FAR more accurate and trustworthy than governments have been. The tweet that got him banned said something like "It doesn't stop infection" and pointing out that because the vaccine only reduces symptoms without reducing infection, that makes it a therapeutic. Which is correct.

skyde 4y ago
Never seen a vaccine before that train your immune system but doesn’t reduce infection. This just doesn’t make sense! do you have any peer reviews research paper that have data showing it doesn’t reduce infection?
- skyde 4y ago
  if he mean “does not completely prevent you from getting infected” then this is true. All vaccines do not completely prevent infection. But that’s not a reason to stop calling them what they are and start calling them therapeutic :-)

HonestOp001 4y ago

The disinformation came from the government: 1. Masks work. Nope. Only N95’s are proven. Every study prior to covid deployment showed that masks did not work. All studies comparing the issue show no impact. 2. Vaccines prevent spread. Nope. Government kind of knew this. 3. Vaccines will prevent you from getting covid-19. Nope, natural immunity is probably the only way through it for most of the populace. Sweden’s and Florida’s science based approach turned out to be correct, targeted preventions for at-risk groups. 4. Virus came from a wet market. Anyone going against this insane theory was attacked so viciously that the social media groups cowered in fear of the government. Look what is now being accepted as an option. The government based their approach on a hope that everyone would concurrently get the therapeutic vaccine and freeze the virus to prevent transmission. The problem was the inability to think about the logistics.

trident5000 4y ago

You dont want the government silencing people. You dont want to go down that road. Eventually it leads to you. The way you combat these people (and I didnt look deep into this persons views) is to call them out and provide truthful information. And then people have to decide for themselves. You will always have a fraction of people who are fools (on any topic) but most people will side with rationality.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> You dont want the government silencing people. You mean, like banning his substack account, in which he tells us about how the government attempted to silence him?
- inawarminister 4y ago
  Someone who got banned from the town square can also move out to the boonies and write his own tract, does that make the first banning legal? Well it is legal in many places, but is it in America?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    Sorry, I don't buy this "Twitter == town square" stuff. I've debated it a lot on HN and elsewhere, and I'm not convinced by any of the arguments I've seen. I know you want it to be true and likely do sincerely believe that it is. I just don't.
toomuchtodo 4y ago
I support the government silencing people causing egregious harm (which the government has the burden of proof to prove). “Fire!” in a crowded theater. Calling them out and providing the truth doesn’t work. Ask the 42 year old who tried to break into the Cincinnati OH FBI office and is dead after a shootout with police. There is a significant amount of the population where there is simply no inoculation against conspiracies and other incoherent reality models. https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-armed-man-who-showed-up-to-fbi-field-office-in-kenwood-cincinnati https://www.thedailybeast.com/cops-get-into-shootout-with-ar... (Armed Man Who Stormed FBI Office Said He Wanted ‘War’ After Mar-a-Lago Raid)