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""""After seeing their rate of replacement I would never own an Apple laptop without AppleCare because the difference between being stuck with a brick and havin

""""After seeing their rate of replacement I would never own an Apple laptop without AppleCare because the difference between being stuck with a brick and having Apple replace it with a newer model free of charge is worth the money."""" Yeah, but for me the difference between not having to use a PC is worth even more money. If you're casual about computing, buy whatever, but if you are professional buy what fits your work needs best, be it Mac or PC, not what is cheaper. If $1000 or $2000 / 5 years seem a lot to you as a professional, then you are in the wrong business.

code_duck 15y ago
By 'PC', do you mean Windows?
- eloisius 15y ago
  Probably also referring to the inferior quality hardware in most PC laptops.
  - Legion 15y ago
    This. For me, the comparison is never between a $1000 Apple laptop and a $400 Gateway one. The comparison is between a $1000 Apple laptop and an $800-$1000 Lenovo T-series or X-series Thinkpad (or, as I call them, the "real" Thinkpads). For something that I use for hours every single day, an overly-heavy and shoddily built piece of junk is not an acceptable option. Apple isn't the only manufacturer that makes quality hardware, but the quality non-Apple machines cost much closer to the Apples than the junky Gateway does.
    - dfc 15y ago
      As a linux user I can be fairly hardware agnostic. I used to consider apple laptops when purchasing a laptop. After I purchased my first thinkpad it was a no brainer, the real thinkpads are the perfect linux laptop. The ideapads are not so bad for a cheap tiny netbook thingie. They obviously don't compare to the thinkpad line but they are okay for what they cost... PS I have the W500 and I'm curious why you do not include it among the real thinkpads.
      - Legion 15y ago
        Those big desktop replacement sort of laptops aren't what I think of when I think of "Thinkpad". But you're right, those big W-series machines maintain the Thinkpad build quality.
    - lucian1900 15y ago
      I've used a Macbook Pro for 3-ish years, and I didn't like its build quality very much. I just bought a Thinkpad E325, one of the "edge" thinkpads. Its build quality is exceptional for a £350, and I'd say mostly on-par with what I could get from apple nowadays.
- dextorious 15y ago
  No, I mean an IBM PC compatible computer, whether it runs Windows/Linux/or whatever. Well, Macs are IBM PC compatible too nowadays, but you get my main distinction.
  - code_duck 15y ago
    It was unclear to me whether you're saying you don't want to use non-Apple hardware, or that you don't want to use Windows, or whether you're referring to a combination of those two. Though Apple continues to use 'PC' in their marketing, it's an obsolete term. Macs are running on the same hardware these days, and you can run Mac OS on 'PC' hardware. You can run Linux on Apple hardware, and Windows on Apple hardware. So, it's a bit muddled. I assume by 'PC' you mean 'anything besides OSX on Apple hardware'. Okay. Personally I also run Linux on my MBP... not sure where that fits in.

code_duck 15y ago

By 'PC', do you mean Windows?

eloisius 15y ago
Probably also referring to the inferior quality hardware in most PC laptops.
- Legion 15y ago
  This. For me, the comparison is never between a $1000 Apple laptop and a $400 Gateway one. The comparison is between a $1000 Apple laptop and an $800-$1000 Lenovo T-series or X-series Thinkpad (or, as I call them, the "real" Thinkpads). For something that I use for hours every single day, an overly-heavy and shoddily built piece of junk is not an acceptable option. Apple isn't the only manufacturer that makes quality hardware, but the quality non-Apple machines cost much closer to the Apples than the junky Gateway does.
  - dfc 15y ago
    As a linux user I can be fairly hardware agnostic. I used to consider apple laptops when purchasing a laptop. After I purchased my first thinkpad it was a no brainer, the real thinkpads are the perfect linux laptop. The ideapads are not so bad for a cheap tiny netbook thingie. They obviously don't compare to the thinkpad line but they are okay for what they cost... PS I have the W500 and I'm curious why you do not include it among the real thinkpads.
    - Legion 15y ago
      Those big desktop replacement sort of laptops aren't what I think of when I think of "Thinkpad". But you're right, those big W-series machines maintain the Thinkpad build quality.
  - lucian1900 15y ago
    I've used a Macbook Pro for 3-ish years, and I didn't like its build quality very much. I just bought a Thinkpad E325, one of the "edge" thinkpads. Its build quality is exceptional for a £350, and I'd say mostly on-par with what I could get from apple nowadays.
dextorious 15y ago
No, I mean an IBM PC compatible computer, whether it runs Windows/Linux/or whatever. Well, Macs are IBM PC compatible too nowadays, but you get my main distinction.
- code_duck 15y ago
  It was unclear to me whether you're saying you don't want to use non-Apple hardware, or that you don't want to use Windows, or whether you're referring to a combination of those two. Though Apple continues to use 'PC' in their marketing, it's an obsolete term. Macs are running on the same hardware these days, and you can run Mac OS on 'PC' hardware. You can run Linux on Apple hardware, and Windows on Apple hardware. So, it's a bit muddled. I assume by 'PC' you mean 'anything besides OSX on Apple hardware'. Okay. Personally I also run Linux on my MBP... not sure where that fits in.