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Tesla‘s Autopilot Scam

32 points by BonoboIO 4y ago

rawoke083600 4y ago
At this point, it might be cheaper, to just let a call-centre-agent drive the car for your, remotely ! :) Now that I will pay for ! $50 a month and I should get 1-x hours of remote-driving by a qualified human driver.
- salawat 4y ago
  Tele-ops taxi network? Could work, but you're still going to be fundamentally limited in the sense that A) your car just became relevant to the public transit system. B) you just handed networked control of a multi-ton machine that cam move itself places where network connectivity doesn't exist. C) do you really trust the network enough not to drop out on you at the worst time? D) what happens if tele-operation critical equipment is non-functioning?
  - rawoke083600 4y ago
    > B) you just handed networked control of a multi-ton machine that cam move itself places where network connectivity doesn't exist. > C) Do you really trust the network enough not to drop out on you at the worst time? If the countries can have drones with ARMED missiles that are controlled remotely, I think there is room for a solution :) > D) what happens if tele-operation critical equipment is non-functioning? Safe-stop - Limitation of system ? What happens currently if human driver has an heart attack, fainting spell, alien-abduction ? :P
scotty79 4y ago
What do you think about this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=471&v=6v036bBD31o&feature=emb_title https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=471&v=6v036bBD31o&... Is it real? Is it better than Tesla?
pelagicAustral 4y ago
I like how they overlap Holmes for dramatic effect at the end haha. Common Sense Skeptic has some seriously good content on Musk. More people should be at least considering at this point that Musk might not be the second coming of Jesus Christ.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  What is the difference between Musk and Holmes? Obviously one difference is he is at least 50% “successful/right/etc”. But it seems like the other half is basically the same. No wonder she thought she could get away with it.
  - ArekDymalski 4y ago
    I think that the main difference is that for Holmes it was a first company. Musk seems to be still riding on the wave of trust, money and contacts from the PayPal era. What is completely unexplainable for me because his erratic behavior and broken promises should erase all the trust years ago.
rvz 4y ago
Indeed. Both autopilot and FSD are a scam and once again Musk, being the pied piper with some of trusted FSD beta musketeers and boosters, selling demoware to his millions of Tesla drivers will still pay for on top of price hikes, under the delusion of achieving robotaxi-like Level 5 Autonomy for FSD in the future; even though it still doesn't work. A deceptive advertising tactic and reality distortion of endless broken promises and price increases + subscription which will keep the 'Coming soon' or 'It will improve for sure.', 'It's still in beta' and 'We're almost there this year' illusion going. The reality is, it is not early days and the regulators have seen enough that this contraption is promise-deception scam, where even the devoted fans will do anything to make a point, especially putting a child in front of the Tesla. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32408367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32408367
- VirusNewbie 4y ago
  How is autopilot a scam? I use it all the time and it works great.
  - enduser 4y ago
    I bought a 2016 Model S with the promise from Tesla that it would eventually be fully self-driving. Eventually they renamed "auto-pilot" to "auto-steer" with no mea culpa. Works well enough for what it is, but they used a basket of lies to sell the car.
BonoboIO 4y ago
Flagged … Anti Tesla is a no no

32 points by BonoboIO 4y ago

At this point, it might be cheaper, to just let a call-centre-agent drive the car for your, remotely ! :) Now that I will pay for ! $50 a month and I should get 1-x hours of remote-driving by a qualified human driver.

salawat 4y ago
Tele-ops taxi network? Could work, but you're still going to be fundamentally limited in the sense that A) your car just became relevant to the public transit system. B) you just handed networked control of a multi-ton machine that cam move itself places where network connectivity doesn't exist. C) do you really trust the network enough not to drop out on you at the worst time? D) what happens if tele-operation critical equipment is non-functioning?
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  > B) you just handed networked control of a multi-ton machine that cam move itself places where network connectivity doesn't exist. > C) Do you really trust the network enough not to drop out on you at the worst time? If the countries can have drones with ARMED missiles that are controlled remotely, I think there is room for a solution :) > D) what happens if tele-operation critical equipment is non-functioning? Safe-stop - Limitation of system ? What happens currently if human driver has an heart attack, fainting spell, alien-abduction ? :P

scotty79 4y ago

What do you think about this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=471&v=6v036bBD31o&feature=emb_title https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=471&v=6v036bBD31o&... Is it real? Is it better than Tesla?

pelagicAustral 4y ago

I like how they overlap Holmes for dramatic effect at the end haha. Common Sense Skeptic has some seriously good content on Musk. More people should be at least considering at this point that Musk might not be the second coming of Jesus Christ.

mikkergp 4y ago
What is the difference between Musk and Holmes? Obviously one difference is he is at least 50% “successful/right/etc”. But it seems like the other half is basically the same. No wonder she thought she could get away with it.
- ArekDymalski 4y ago
  I think that the main difference is that for Holmes it was a first company. Musk seems to be still riding on the wave of trust, money and contacts from the PayPal era. What is completely unexplainable for me because his erratic behavior and broken promises should erase all the trust years ago.

rvz 4y ago

Indeed. Both autopilot and FSD are a scam and once again Musk, being the pied piper with some of trusted FSD beta musketeers and boosters, selling demoware to his millions of Tesla drivers will still pay for on top of price hikes, under the delusion of achieving robotaxi-like Level 5 Autonomy for FSD in the future; even though it still doesn't work. A deceptive advertising tactic and reality distortion of endless broken promises and price increases + subscription which will keep the 'Coming soon' or 'It will improve for sure.', 'It's still in beta' and 'We're almost there this year' illusion going. The reality is, it is not early days and the regulators have seen enough that this contraption is promise-deception scam, where even the devoted fans will do anything to make a point, especially putting a child in front of the Tesla. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32408367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32408367

VirusNewbie 4y ago
How is autopilot a scam? I use it all the time and it works great.
- enduser 4y ago
  I bought a 2016 Model S with the promise from Tesla that it would eventually be fully self-driving. Eventually they renamed "auto-pilot" to "auto-steer" with no mea culpa. Works well enough for what it is, but they used a basket of lies to sell the car.

BonoboIO 4y ago

Flagged … Anti Tesla is a no no