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> Because nearly every other industry is credentialed, so proving your 3-8 years of university grind is enough to get hired. Nearly every other industry is cre

> Because nearly every other industry is credentialed, so proving your 3-8 years of university grind is enough to get hired. Nearly every other industry is credentialed and a degree is enough to get hired? I don't think that matches reality at all.

lr4444lr 4y ago
In other white collar professional jobs (not admin), esp. STEM fields, he's not wrong.
- Matticus_Rex 4y ago
  He is wrong, actually. STEM fields are the exception. Most white-collar jobs require an undergrad degree, but the industry itself doesn't require a particular job-related credential, and the degree itself isn't enough to get a job.
  - lr4444lr 4y ago
    Uh... Law? Medicine? Accounting? Eng.? Teaching? What other job where you actually need hard technical skills equivalent to software dev is there no widely used non-commercial credentialing system?
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Outside of a relatively small percentage of professional engineer certifications, there is generally no credentialing system in engineering or the sciences outside of academic degrees--the requirements for which may be more or less rigid in a given case. While some business roles may require an MBA, this is probably less true than in the past. A given position might also give preference to some industry cert. But outside of medical, legal, and certain financial roles, you're more likely to see formal non-academic licensing for truck drivers and hairdressers than for white collar professionals.
Victerius 4y ago
Lawyers need to have passed the bar. Accountants need their CPA. Doctors their MD. Pharmacists their Pharm.D. Finance professionals their CFA. And so on. Software engineers making 150K with only a four year degree and some leetcode have nothing to complain about. Take homes? Whiteboards? Cry me a river. Try to pass the bar or get through residency instead.
- jjav 4y ago
  > Try to pass the bar or get through residency instead. It would be wonderful to have an equivalente for computer science. You do it right after graduating, study for it once and you're done. Not leetcoding for 6 months every other year for life which is ridiculous waste of time.
- sarchertech 4y ago
  Those jobs are a minority of white collar office jobs.
- sarchertech 4y ago
  You pass the bar 1 time. Not every couple years.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > You pass the bar 1 time. Not every couple years. You maintain a current law license, which requires having passed the bar once, continuing education requirements, and the absence of professional mal-, mis-, or non-feasance sufficient to lose that license. Taken together, the requirements are ongoing, though some individual elements are one-time.
    - sarchertech 4y ago
      In my state lawyers need 15 hours per year. If they are anything like my wife’s medical continuing education credits they are super easy to get because many of the things she already has to do for work count. Not getting disbarred hardly counts as an ongoing requirement in all but the most meaningless sense of the word.
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ghaff 4y ago
>Nearly every other industry is credentialed In general, the undergrad degree is a filter. Unless someone for, say, a marketing role has a lot of experience, a BS/BA is probably a requirement and a better known school probably gives you a bit of a leg up as may a graduate degree. You're still going to have some interviews. In my experience, HR passes promising resumes through, there are 5 or so half hour interviews, and then there's a thumbs up/down by the people who did the interviews. But for most roles there's no specific non-negotiable credential like there is for an accountant or lawyer.

lr4444lr 4y ago

In other white collar professional jobs (not admin), esp. STEM fields, he's not wrong.

Matticus_Rex 4y ago
He is wrong, actually. STEM fields are the exception. Most white-collar jobs require an undergrad degree, but the industry itself doesn't require a particular job-related credential, and the degree itself isn't enough to get a job.
- lr4444lr 4y ago
  Uh... Law? Medicine? Accounting? Eng.? Teaching? What other job where you actually need hard technical skills equivalent to software dev is there no widely used non-commercial credentialing system?
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Outside of a relatively small percentage of professional engineer certifications, there is generally no credentialing system in engineering or the sciences outside of academic degrees--the requirements for which may be more or less rigid in a given case. While some business roles may require an MBA, this is probably less true than in the past. A given position might also give preference to some industry cert. But outside of medical, legal, and certain financial roles, you're more likely to see formal non-academic licensing for truck drivers and hairdressers than for white collar professionals.

Victerius 4y ago

Lawyers need to have passed the bar. Accountants need their CPA. Doctors their MD. Pharmacists their Pharm.D. Finance professionals their CFA. And so on. Software engineers making 150K with only a four year degree and some leetcode have nothing to complain about. Take homes? Whiteboards? Cry me a river. Try to pass the bar or get through residency instead.

jjav 4y ago
> Try to pass the bar or get through residency instead. It would be wonderful to have an equivalente for computer science. You do it right after graduating, study for it once and you're done. Not leetcoding for 6 months every other year for life which is ridiculous waste of time.
sarchertech 4y ago
Those jobs are a minority of white collar office jobs.
sarchertech 4y ago
You pass the bar 1 time. Not every couple years.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > You pass the bar 1 time. Not every couple years. You maintain a current law license, which requires having passed the bar once, continuing education requirements, and the absence of professional mal-, mis-, or non-feasance sufficient to lose that license. Taken together, the requirements are ongoing, though some individual elements are one-time.
  - sarchertech 4y ago
    In my state lawyers need 15 hours per year. If they are anything like my wife’s medical continuing education credits they are super easy to get because many of the things she already has to do for work count. Not getting disbarred hardly counts as an ongoing requirement in all but the most meaningless sense of the word.

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ghaff 4y ago

>Nearly every other industry is credentialed In general, the undergrad degree is a filter. Unless someone for, say, a marketing role has a lot of experience, a BS/BA is probably a requirement and a better known school probably gives you a bit of a leg up as may a graduate degree. You're still going to have some interviews. In my experience, HR passes promising resumes through, there are 5 or so half hour interviews, and then there's a thumbs up/down by the people who did the interviews. But for most roles there's no specific non-negotiable credential like there is for an accountant or lawyer.