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bequanna 4y ago
> Many Americans remain unaware of the spike in anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year. ...yet on the same page the responses to "How has your opinion of Asian Americans, in general changed over the past 12 months?" overwhelmingly skew to "stayed the same" or "positive". Maybe I'm missing something, but it certainly seems like they are trying to push a narrative that even their own data doesn't support.
- anotheruser092 4y ago
  Where's the contradiction? If you assume that people answered honestly, it's very possible that remaining proportion of people who viewed Asian Americans negatively were more likely to express anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year, instead of keeping quiet about their views. Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Most importantly, anti-Asian hate crimes have "increased by 339 percent" from 2020 to 2021 [2]. Even if you doubt the data, comparatively, crime reports are more reliable and objective than self-reports when you ask a population about their views of people of a particular ethnicity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-c...
  - naniwaduni 4y ago
    > Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Not just that, people are also just biased to believe their previous opinions are consistent with their current opinions.
    - bequanna 4y ago
      Ah, of course! I always make sure my responses to anonymous surveys are as politically correct as possible. Ya know, just in case ;)
  - bequanna 4y ago
    > It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. This statement crosses the line into absurdity. The poll (that they designed!) didn’t give the “correct” results so time to do some hand waving and move the goalposts. I’ll never understand this obsession with imagined grievances and jumping through hoops to paint one’s self as a victim. What is the point? Attention? Pity?
    - anotheruser092 4y ago
      There is no absurdity, as "recall bias" is a recorded effect where people inaccurately remember past experiences to fit their current worldview (source: https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/ https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/). You also ignored the points on social-desirability bias and crime reports and just asserted there is no increase in racism, and racism is a result of "imagined grievances" and victim culture. You're asserting that the crime reports are wrong, and we can conclude that racial incidents did not increase because people in a survey said they weren't racist. Many Asian Americans aren't asking for your "attention" or "pity." If there is more awareness among the Asian American community of racist incidents (e.g. many Asians getting randomly punched or pushed onto the subway tracks), one can have more aware of their surroundings when going outside to avoid random violence.
      - bequanna 4y ago
        1. Recall bias is a fancy concept to whip out, but now sure I follow how you think it applies here or helps your point: "I am kinda racist now but I was even MORE racist against Asians in the past" Huh? 2. You can't just ignore a poll because the results don't match your message and then just say: "Oh, well, we can't even trust the results of this poll guys. All the racists will just say they aren't racists... cuz, cmon, we like KNOW there are SOOO many racists!" 3. Hate crime reporting has increased because HOW these incidents are now reported has changed in the past ~18 months at the Federal and local levels. Are there fewer or more of these incidents? Is there some trend? I don't think less than 2 years of data can tell us much of anything. I find it interesting that when this argument fails to find any actual evidence it reverts to vigorous hand waving and asking us to believe there is some growing contingent of illusive racist boogeymen. Enough with the fear mongering.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  Something about the poll itself feels incendiary. I think these kinds of polls and the spin the media puts on them seems as if it was designed to stir the pot.
  - bruceb 4y ago
    You don't get a $524m valuation without pushing clickbait and divisive content.
vannevar 4y ago
The concerning stats are on slides 32 and 33, showing that an increasing number of Americans believe Asian Americans are more loyal to their country of origin, and that Asian Americans contributed to COVID-19. Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Slide 19 provides some support for this, as conservatives were more than twice as likely as liberals to say that racism against Asian Americans has stayed the same or decreased. Aggregate polls hide the bimodal nature of American politics, which makes them largely useless in understanding what is actually happening in the population.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  >Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Be the change you want to see in the world.
  - vannevar 4y ago
    The change I want to see is broad recognition that Republican leaders are leveraging latent racism for political gain, so that moderate voters turn away from the party and it is forced to abandon that cynical strategy, which is actively dividing the country.
  - lanstin 4y ago
    I want a world where decisions are based in truth. And the truth is that the Republicans have given up on trying to stop their party members from being overtly racist and xenophobic. Personally, I think some weird process of self-radicalization involving the newest mass media and a denial of reason and fear of change in racial demographics, has kicked in with the Republicans and they won’t be able to stop it internally; there are no lines of common decency where the swirling madness won’t push all the thoughtful people past. I believe the rest of the civic body will have to stop them using our power. Yes, science is real. no, there’s no big differences between ethnic groups. Yes, being racist fucks up society for a long time, let’s stop. Yes, women are human also. Yes, immigrants refresh and renew the US commitment to hard work leading to achievement and the US ability to respect, enjoy and combine all human cultures. We, the majority, will vote, organize to vote, and push this world view every day for a hundred years rather than slip back into authoritarian or racist past which was anti-science, anti-truth, and anti-virtue.

> Many Americans remain unaware of the spike in anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year. ...yet on the same page the responses to "How has your opinion of Asian Americans, in general changed over the past 12 months?" overwhelmingly skew to "stayed the same" or "positive". Maybe I'm missing something, but it certainly seems like they are trying to push a narrative that even their own data doesn't support.

anotheruser092 4y ago
Where's the contradiction? If you assume that people answered honestly, it's very possible that remaining proportion of people who viewed Asian Americans negatively were more likely to express anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year, instead of keeping quiet about their views. Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Most importantly, anti-Asian hate crimes have "increased by 339 percent" from 2020 to 2021 [2]. Even if you doubt the data, comparatively, crime reports are more reliable and objective than self-reports when you ask a population about their views of people of a particular ethnicity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-c...
- naniwaduni 4y ago
  > Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Not just that, people are also just biased to believe their previous opinions are consistent with their current opinions.
  - bequanna 4y ago
    Ah, of course! I always make sure my responses to anonymous surveys are as politically correct as possible. Ya know, just in case ;)
- bequanna 4y ago
  > It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. This statement crosses the line into absurdity. The poll (that they designed!) didn’t give the “correct” results so time to do some hand waving and move the goalposts. I’ll never understand this obsession with imagined grievances and jumping through hoops to paint one’s self as a victim. What is the point? Attention? Pity?
  - anotheruser092 4y ago
    There is no absurdity, as "recall bias" is a recorded effect where people inaccurately remember past experiences to fit their current worldview (source: https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/ https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/). You also ignored the points on social-desirability bias and crime reports and just asserted there is no increase in racism, and racism is a result of "imagined grievances" and victim culture. You're asserting that the crime reports are wrong, and we can conclude that racial incidents did not increase because people in a survey said they weren't racist. Many Asian Americans aren't asking for your "attention" or "pity." If there is more awareness among the Asian American community of racist incidents (e.g. many Asians getting randomly punched or pushed onto the subway tracks), one can have more aware of their surroundings when going outside to avoid random violence.
    - bequanna 4y ago
      1. Recall bias is a fancy concept to whip out, but now sure I follow how you think it applies here or helps your point: "I am kinda racist now but I was even MORE racist against Asians in the past" Huh? 2. You can't just ignore a poll because the results don't match your message and then just say: "Oh, well, we can't even trust the results of this poll guys. All the racists will just say they aren't racists... cuz, cmon, we like KNOW there are SOOO many racists!" 3. Hate crime reporting has increased because HOW these incidents are now reported has changed in the past ~18 months at the Federal and local levels. Are there fewer or more of these incidents? Is there some trend? I don't think less than 2 years of data can tell us much of anything. I find it interesting that when this argument fails to find any actual evidence it reverts to vigorous hand waving and asking us to believe there is some growing contingent of illusive racist boogeymen. Enough with the fear mongering.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
Something about the poll itself feels incendiary. I think these kinds of polls and the spin the media puts on them seems as if it was designed to stir the pot.
- bruceb 4y ago
  You don't get a $524m valuation without pushing clickbait and divisive content.

vannevar 4y ago

The concerning stats are on slides 32 and 33, showing that an increasing number of Americans believe Asian Americans are more loyal to their country of origin, and that Asian Americans contributed to COVID-19. Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Slide 19 provides some support for this, as conservatives were more than twice as likely as liberals to say that racism against Asian Americans has stayed the same or decreased. Aggregate polls hide the bimodal nature of American politics, which makes them largely useless in understanding what is actually happening in the population.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
>Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Be the change you want to see in the world.
- vannevar 4y ago
  The change I want to see is broad recognition that Republican leaders are leveraging latent racism for political gain, so that moderate voters turn away from the party and it is forced to abandon that cynical strategy, which is actively dividing the country.
- lanstin 4y ago
  I want a world where decisions are based in truth. And the truth is that the Republicans have given up on trying to stop their party members from being overtly racist and xenophobic. Personally, I think some weird process of self-radicalization involving the newest mass media and a denial of reason and fear of change in racial demographics, has kicked in with the Republicans and they won’t be able to stop it internally; there are no lines of common decency where the swirling madness won’t push all the thoughtful people past. I believe the rest of the civic body will have to stop them using our power. Yes, science is real. no, there’s no big differences between ethnic groups. Yes, being racist fucks up society for a long time, let’s stop. Yes, women are human also. Yes, immigrants refresh and renew the US commitment to hard work leading to achievement and the US ability to respect, enjoy and combine all human cultures. We, the majority, will vote, organize to vote, and push this world view every day for a hundred years rather than slip back into authoritarian or racist past which was anti-science, anti-truth, and anti-virtue.