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Or, you know, you could just run an OS that doesn't come with all the bloatware, such as Linux. I know, I know. Not an option for many for corporate reasons or

Or, you know, you could just run an OS that doesn't come with all the bloatware, such as Linux. I know, I know. Not an option for many for corporate reasons or because you need some Win-only apps that don't work with Wine. But more people should consider it.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago
The main thing holding Linux back is Linux evangelists and their desperate need to read a Dale Carnegie book or two.
npteljes 4y ago
Individual action leads to nowhere after this point. As long as the public sector default to Windows, schools teach Windows and MS Office, and businesses mostly use Windows, Windows it is. People sure as hell don't bother learning a new operating system just to use at home, and they wouldn't also if Linux was this default either. Valve is doing the good work, for one, by creating a new computing platform for Steam on Linux.
- cube00 4y ago
  Given the way Chromebooks are infecting education, I'm not sure the schools space is as safe for MS anymore.
  - tssva 4y ago
    My daughter is in the 10th grade and has never used Windows. For the past 4 years she has used a school provided Chromebook and outside of school work she uses Android or iOS devices.
cpach 4y ago
macOS is very enjoyable and not bloated IMHO.
- nicbou 4y ago
  Right? I just set up a new Macbook, and I was back to my usual setup within a day. There wasn't anything to disable. I just had to remove a few icons from the dock. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but neither is Linux. I don't have the patience to find and maintain a Linux laptop, personally.
- e3bc54b2 4y ago
  Also incredibly expensive and practically out of reach for vast majority of world population.
- tssva 4y ago
  You can't even uninstall the chess game in macOS without disabling system integrity protection. Even then if you do an update it will return.
phendrenad2 4y ago
There are probably a lot of people who dislike the amount of bloat in windows, but aren't prepared to put in the work to convert to linux. It's perfectly reasonable to be somewhere in the middle.
georgia_peach 4y ago
The kids have had far less trouble with Debian/Gnome than Windows 10. With Win10, they'd keep accidentally moving/hiding the taskbar around, toggling fullscreen, toggling the screen reader, changing it to weird resolutions, etc... Then when my wife tries to bring one of their school websites up for them, she gets frustrated by the whole mess, & calls me to straighten it out--since she's a mac person and has no patience with any of this windows nonsense. Many years ago, a certain English professor told me about people who like to shove sticks up their urethras for fun. This article just reminded me of that. Memories!
UberFly 4y ago
No kidding, but then those Win-only apps... It's been said infinite number of times after somebody says just run Linux. Many of us have considered it, believe me.
tssva 4y ago
Most of the major Linux distros I have tried are bloated. Full of Gnome or KDE programs I will never use. Most come with libreoffice installed which I will never use.
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  You can start with minimal installation and add what you need. Might require quite a bit of research and effort though. Or just delete packages you don't need. Linux package managers are not that bad.
  - tssva 4y ago
    Uninstalling Windows apps is also quick and easy. Linux package managers don't provide me any advantages here.
- timbit42 4y ago
  Linux packages can be removed and not leave any junk behind, unlike Windows apps.
  - f1refly 4y ago
    let me tell you about about dotfiles..
  - tssva 4y ago
    My experience is that the days of Windows applications leaving files and dll's spread willy-nilly across your system is mostly gone. It has been a long time since I removed a Windows app and the application wasn't completely removed. Per user data files may remain but this is equally true on Linux.

Mountain_Skies 4y ago

The main thing holding Linux back is Linux evangelists and their desperate need to read a Dale Carnegie book or two.

npteljes 4y ago

Individual action leads to nowhere after this point. As long as the public sector default to Windows, schools teach Windows and MS Office, and businesses mostly use Windows, Windows it is. People sure as hell don't bother learning a new operating system just to use at home, and they wouldn't also if Linux was this default either. Valve is doing the good work, for one, by creating a new computing platform for Steam on Linux.

cube00 4y ago
Given the way Chromebooks are infecting education, I'm not sure the schools space is as safe for MS anymore.
- tssva 4y ago
  My daughter is in the 10th grade and has never used Windows. For the past 4 years she has used a school provided Chromebook and outside of school work she uses Android or iOS devices.

cpach 4y ago

macOS is very enjoyable and not bloated IMHO.

nicbou 4y ago
Right? I just set up a new Macbook, and I was back to my usual setup within a day. There wasn't anything to disable. I just had to remove a few icons from the dock. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but neither is Linux. I don't have the patience to find and maintain a Linux laptop, personally.
e3bc54b2 4y ago
Also incredibly expensive and practically out of reach for vast majority of world population.
tssva 4y ago
You can't even uninstall the chess game in macOS without disabling system integrity protection. Even then if you do an update it will return.

phendrenad2 4y ago

There are probably a lot of people who dislike the amount of bloat in windows, but aren't prepared to put in the work to convert to linux. It's perfectly reasonable to be somewhere in the middle.

georgia_peach 4y ago

The kids have had far less trouble with Debian/Gnome than Windows 10. With Win10, they'd keep accidentally moving/hiding the taskbar around, toggling fullscreen, toggling the screen reader, changing it to weird resolutions, etc... Then when my wife tries to bring one of their school websites up for them, she gets frustrated by the whole mess, & calls me to straighten it out--since she's a mac person and has no patience with any of this windows nonsense. Many years ago, a certain English professor told me about people who like to shove sticks up their urethras for fun. This article just reminded me of that. Memories!

UberFly 4y ago

No kidding, but then those Win-only apps... It's been said infinite number of times after somebody says just run Linux. Many of us have considered it, believe me.

tssva 4y ago

Most of the major Linux distros I have tried are bloated. Full of Gnome or KDE programs I will never use. Most come with libreoffice installed which I will never use.

vbezhenar 4y ago
You can start with minimal installation and add what you need. Might require quite a bit of research and effort though. Or just delete packages you don't need. Linux package managers are not that bad.
- tssva 4y ago
  Uninstalling Windows apps is also quick and easy. Linux package managers don't provide me any advantages here.
timbit42 4y ago
Linux packages can be removed and not leave any junk behind, unlike Windows apps.
- f1refly 4y ago
  let me tell you about about dotfiles..
- tssva 4y ago
  My experience is that the days of Windows applications leaving files and dll's spread willy-nilly across your system is mostly gone. It has been a long time since I removed a Windows app and the application wasn't completely removed. Per user data files may remain but this is equally true on Linux.