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It's basically the same as the System 1 which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC. That is where things really went from zero to one, on a lot of thing

by Flankk 4y ago

It's basically the same as the System 1 which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC. That is where things really went from zero to one, on a lot of things. The same thing happened with programming languages. C sparked a revolution and languages have been getting incrementally more bloated (and terrible) ever since. I think the difference stems from academic versus capitalist roots. I mean, even Xerox didn't want the stuff they had created.

bacchusracine 4y ago
>It's basically the same as the System 1 which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC. People say things like this and because they haven't researched the matter more deeply they miss out on some great gems from that such as the way overlapping windows worked on Apple's Macintosh compared to how Xerox did things because the Apple engineers didn't know how Xerox did it, thought they were doing more than they did and in the course of trying to recreate it invented something better. A reference to what I mean can be found here: http://novel.tingroom.com/lizhi/1019/30667.html http://novel.tingroom.com/lizhi/1019/30667.html The bottom line is that even re-implementing something can lead to creativity and extend the original in exciting new ways as a result. To my mind that makes it much less a 'ripoff' since it's a new way of doing things.
- Flankk 4y ago
  I'm not sure what you are referencing from that. It reiterates what I stated, not what you are saying. "Great Artists Steal" etc. The developers sat down and had everything explained to them. I'm not sure what you mean by "engineers didn't know how Xerox did it."
kergonath 4y ago
> which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC It was not a ripoff. They had a license agreement and a whole bunch of people went from PARC (where they felt they had amazing technologies but could not do much with them because Xerox did not care) to Apple (where they could actually put a lot of ideas in practice). > That is where things really went from zero to one, on a lot of things. Some things. Others did not exist at the time and there have been a lot of improvements since then. Things done at PARC also depended on a lot of groundwork done by people like Turing and in places like the Bell Labs. Yet we don’t argue that Babbage was the real revolution and nothing of note happened since then.

by Flankk 4y ago

bacchusracine 4y ago

>It's basically the same as the System 1 which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC. People say things like this and because they haven't researched the matter more deeply they miss out on some great gems from that such as the way overlapping windows worked on Apple's Macintosh compared to how Xerox did things because the Apple engineers didn't know how Xerox did it, thought they were doing more than they did and in the course of trying to recreate it invented something better. A reference to what I mean can be found here: http://novel.tingroom.com/lizhi/1019/30667.html http://novel.tingroom.com/lizhi/1019/30667.html The bottom line is that even re-implementing something can lead to creativity and extend the original in exciting new ways as a result. To my mind that makes it much less a 'ripoff' since it's a new way of doing things.

Flankk 4y ago
I'm not sure what you are referencing from that. It reiterates what I stated, not what you are saying. "Great Artists Steal" etc. The developers sat down and had everything explained to them. I'm not sure what you mean by "engineers didn't know how Xerox did it."

kergonath 4y ago

> which was just a ripoff of the stuff at Xerox PARC It was not a ripoff. They had a license agreement and a whole bunch of people went from PARC (where they felt they had amazing technologies but could not do much with them because Xerox did not care) to Apple (where they could actually put a lot of ideas in practice). > That is where things really went from zero to one, on a lot of things. Some things. Others did not exist at the time and there have been a lot of improvements since then. Things done at PARC also depended on a lot of groundwork done by people like Turing and in places like the Bell Labs. Yet we don’t argue that Babbage was the real revolution and nothing of note happened since then.