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> If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or somethin

> If you're a keyboard user, like me, then all the Windows keystrokes that worked in GNOME 2 still work in Unity, so it's much less jarring than KDE or something. Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. Fuck them. > Learn about this and consider it. NO. Fuck you. I have my UI and it will work how I want it to. The UI comes to me, I don't change to fit the operating system. That's bullshit. This is ergonomics 101. They keep changing shit for the sake of change, then fuck them. They don't get to keep their install base, and nobody will bother to learn their bullshit.

lproven 4y ago
You took the time to reply to me after a week, so OK, I'll do you the same courtesy. > Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. I'd never even heard of "readline keystrokes" before. > Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. I am not sure what that does, but hey, I'm sorry you feel that way. But I have 2 counter-arguments. Neither will satisfy you, I realise, but hey, I feel it's important to say. #1: Bash has used this since the 1980s. According to Wikipedia, Bash was first released on June 8, 1989. Windows has used alt-Space for the window control menu since at least Windows 2.0 -- I used Windows 2. I didn't like it much but I used it. Windows 2.0 was released December 9, 1987. So, that's 18 months earlier. If that was a new bash feature in 1989 then Brian Fox used a keystroke that was already in use by a widely-used GUI. Bad plan. #2: Bash is on millions of Linux boxes, and Mac OS X from 10.3 to 10.15, and probably FreeBSD and maybe other BSDs. OTOH, we are talking about a basic Windows keystroke that's probably on billions of machines. At least 100 Windows boxes for every Linux box, I would guess. I am not arguing that this is right or proper or good. But on sheer numbers, the piece of software that used it first and which is used by 2 orders of magnitude more people gets to keep it, IMHO. Sorry, but either on numbers or on chronology, it's fairly clear, IMHO.

lproven 4y ago

You took the time to reply to me after a week, so OK, I'll do you the same courtesy. > Actually since you mention it. GNOME 3 and Unity block basic readline keystrokes from working. I'd never even heard of "readline keystrokes" before. > Alt+Space has been a keystroke in bash since the 1980s, and they fucking override it. I am not sure what that does, but hey, I'm sorry you feel that way. But I have 2 counter-arguments. Neither will satisfy you, I realise, but hey, I feel it's important to say. #1: Bash has used this since the 1980s. According to Wikipedia, Bash was first released on June 8, 1989. Windows has used alt-Space for the window control menu since at least Windows 2.0 -- I used Windows 2. I didn't like it much but I used it. Windows 2.0 was released December 9, 1987. So, that's 18 months earlier. If that was a new bash feature in 1989 then Brian Fox used a keystroke that was already in use by a widely-used GUI. Bad plan. #2: Bash is on millions of Linux boxes, and Mac OS X from 10.3 to 10.15, and probably FreeBSD and maybe other BSDs. OTOH, we are talking about a basic Windows keystroke that's probably on billions of machines. At least 100 Windows boxes for every Linux box, I would guess. I am not arguing that this is right or proper or good. But on sheer numbers, the piece of software that used it first and which is used by 2 orders of magnitude more people gets to keep it, IMHO. Sorry, but either on numbers or on chronology, it's fairly clear, IMHO.