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I think you've hit the nail on the head with the problems we see in society today. Everyone has replaced their real and physical communities with digital online

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the problems we see in society today. Everyone has replaced their real and physical communities with digital online communities that bring all of the downsides of real communities but fail to provide any of the positive things a community brings. When you end up in a rough spot a physical community can band together to help you, if your place burns down people on the internet will send you lots of thoughts and prayers and some very generous people might shell out a few bucks to help. In a physical community there a limits on what you'll do or say to a person because you have to see them, you share the same social space, and they can materially effect your life. In internet communities everyone outside of your group isn't part of your community and can't impact your life at all so there is no reason to hold back on your worst impulses. I think the widespread societal decay we are seeing probably relates to the dissolution of real communities as they've been replaced by the internet, huge geographical mobility and a decline in family, ethnic/national, and religious identity at the same time.

znpy 4y ago
Actually, i think that the term “community” is very very abused on-line. People talk about communities when really they’re talking about users. Ideally paying users, more often users that someone has to keep engaged so that some other entity will give revenue (eg: youtube channels followers “communities”). Take hacker news for example: we generally have zero saying in what the rules are, what is moderated fairly and what isn’t, what’s okay to post and what isn’t. We’re all strangers to each other and there isn’t an ounce of attachments between a random couple of users, again because we’re all strangers to each other. On average, we share very little with each other, except the fact that we all need oxygen to breathe and are somehow interested in technology. That’s not how communities work. In true communities people can speak up, things can change, it’s rare to impossible for people to be banned. And don’t get me wrong I’m only taking hacker news as an example but the same reasoning apply to most online “communities”. Regarding the swap of real “communities”, I don’t think it’s entirely bad. I did it myself, because it’s effectively the only way to reach like minded people if you have interests outside what’s trending in your physical community. > I think the widespread societal decay we are seeing probably relates to the dissolution of real communities as they've been replaced by the internet, huge geographical mobility and a decline in family, ethnic/national, and religious identity at the same time. On this point i mostly disagree. Geographical mobility is good (where you were born is not a death sentence anymore), decline in family is okay (the old purely- and strictly-eterosexual family in a strictly religious form is essentially deprecated) ethnic/national identity is essentially bs and a source for unnecessary conflict (we’re all humans, it’s high time we start acting like that) and religion identity is the ultimate bs (there is no god).

znpy 4y ago

Actually, i think that the term “community” is very very abused on-line. People talk about communities when really they’re talking about users. Ideally paying users, more often users that someone has to keep engaged so that some other entity will give revenue (eg: youtube channels followers “communities”). Take hacker news for example: we generally have zero saying in what the rules are, what is moderated fairly and what isn’t, what’s okay to post and what isn’t. We’re all strangers to each other and there isn’t an ounce of attachments between a random couple of users, again because we’re all strangers to each other. On average, we share very little with each other, except the fact that we all need oxygen to breathe and are somehow interested in technology. That’s not how communities work. In true communities people can speak up, things can change, it’s rare to impossible for people to be banned. And don’t get me wrong I’m only taking hacker news as an example but the same reasoning apply to most online “communities”. Regarding the swap of real “communities”, I don’t think it’s entirely bad. I did it myself, because it’s effectively the only way to reach like minded people if you have interests outside what’s trending in your physical community. > I think the widespread societal decay we are seeing probably relates to the dissolution of real communities as they've been replaced by the internet, huge geographical mobility and a decline in family, ethnic/national, and religious identity at the same time. On this point i mostly disagree. Geographical mobility is good (where you were born is not a death sentence anymore), decline in family is okay (the old purely- and strictly-eterosexual family in a strictly religious form is essentially deprecated) ethnic/national identity is essentially bs and a source for unnecessary conflict (we’re all humans, it’s high time we start acting like that) and religion identity is the ultimate bs (there is no god).