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Ask PG: Could we have the SOPA censorship label up on HN's logo today?

144 points by Archio 15y ago

http://americancensorship.org/

genieyclo 15y ago
Why?
- Torn 15y ago
  Because the ideas behind freedom of speech and 'routing around damage' are the main reasons behind the Internet's success.
  - genieyclo 15y ago
    I don't see what exactly changing y18.gif would accomplish... Happy feelings? Seems like you're preaching to the choir.
    - benbscholz 15y ago
      I have been reading about this all week, but having a banner on my Mozilla home page reminded me to write my congressmen. I can't hurt to remind people about this -- especially considering the impact it is going to have on the users of this site.
Achshar 15y ago
if google, yahoo, ebay, reddit, mozilla, zynga, AOL, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, etc can do it then i can't see why HN (being all about dev and startup community) can't do it.
- benbscholz 15y ago
  I think the HN crowd is more aware of SOPA than the visitors to those sites, but I think adding to the banner couldn't hurt (some people may have missed the SOPA stories from the last week).
- brudgers 15y ago
  PG almost certainly can do it. But that sort of editorializing does not seem consistent with the culture which has grown up around HN.
  - tristan_louis 15y ago
    Here's the question. Is it editorializing when your own existence is put in question? Under SOPA, HN could be taken down with a simple link. One could create an account, post a link to some copyrighted material and then ask that HN be removed blocked at the DNS level. So if HN is not willing to stand for that, what is willing to stand for?
    - brudgers 15y ago
      HN != YC
      - davidhansen 15y ago
        The legislation covers blocking or redirection of DNS queries by zone. Last I checked, the HN hostname is inside the ycombinator.com DNS zone.
        brudgers 15y ago
        My point is that shutting down HN would not significantly threaten the survival of YC. Please note that I am assuming that YC, and not HN, is the primary enterprise of the person or persons in a position to deal with these matters.
- larrys 15y ago
  "If ... can do it" Of all of the above companies you listed, as of right now, it's only on reddit.com
  - JoshTriplett 15y ago
    http://boingboing.net/?p=129579 http://boingboing.net/?p=129579 Check out the logos at the bottom.
    - larrys 15y ago
      The "can do it" refers to the question "could we have the SOPA censorship label up on HN's logo today?" (Similar to what was done at http://www.avc.com http://www.avc.com for example.) The comment I am commenting on says: "if google, yahoo, ebay, reddit, mozilla, zynga, AOL, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, etc can do it then i can't see why HN (being all about dev and startup community) can't do it." So "can do it" doesn't refer to signing a letter (which can't be done now anyway) it refers to putting the censorship label over the logo. The majority of the companies mentioned did not do that which was the point that I was making.
  - Achshar 15y ago
    from "can do it" i meant publicly oppose the bill and not just change the logo. Sorry for the confusion. PS Mozilla also changed the logo.
- dayjah 15y ago
  They're conducting YC interviews atm, I doubt this'll even be noticed; I hope it is though.
tptacek 15y ago
Doesn't that just beg everyone to submit SOPA stories to the site? Have we learned anything at all new about SOPA in the past 24 hours?
- Archio 15y ago
  Read benbsholz's comment (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3243628 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3243628)... It really doesn't hurt to remind people about this and make sure they take action. The future of open source software is at the core of HN, and it could really get affected by this legislation.
  - tptacek 15y ago
    Is that a "no"? Because (if it wasn't obvious) that's what I suspect to be the case about these SOPA stories: that they tend to contain little if any new information about SOPA.
    - benbscholz 15y ago
      Getting people to watch the stream is enough. Check it out if you haven't.
      - tptacek 15y ago
        The stream is a great HN submission. Thanks.
suivix 15y ago
Could we not turn HN into an activist site? Thanks.
deleted 15y ago
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coderdude 15y ago
One of the few sites where people really care about this issue and half the comments in this thread are people wondering why we should even bother. I'd laugh if I wasn't so disappointed in you.
maeon3 15y ago
Put down that book citizen, there are copyrighted words in there that you haven't paid for yet. Dont make me taze you. It's coming, sooner or later, the only thing we can do is fight it like alcohol drinkers did with prohibition.

144 points by Archio 15y ago

http://americancensorship.org/

genieyclo 15y ago

Why?

Torn 15y ago
Because the ideas behind freedom of speech and 'routing around damage' are the main reasons behind the Internet's success.
- genieyclo 15y ago
  I don't see what exactly changing y18.gif would accomplish... Happy feelings? Seems like you're preaching to the choir.
  - benbscholz 15y ago
    I have been reading about this all week, but having a banner on my Mozilla home page reminded me to write my congressmen. I can't hurt to remind people about this -- especially considering the impact it is going to have on the users of this site.

Achshar 15y ago

if google, yahoo, ebay, reddit, mozilla, zynga, AOL, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, etc can do it then i can't see why HN (being all about dev and startup community) can't do it.

benbscholz 15y ago
I think the HN crowd is more aware of SOPA than the visitors to those sites, but I think adding to the banner couldn't hurt (some people may have missed the SOPA stories from the last week).
brudgers 15y ago
PG almost certainly can do it. But that sort of editorializing does not seem consistent with the culture which has grown up around HN.
- tristan_louis 15y ago
  Here's the question. Is it editorializing when your own existence is put in question? Under SOPA, HN could be taken down with a simple link. One could create an account, post a link to some copyrighted material and then ask that HN be removed blocked at the DNS level. So if HN is not willing to stand for that, what is willing to stand for?
  - brudgers 15y ago
    HN != YC
    - davidhansen 15y ago
      The legislation covers blocking or redirection of DNS queries by zone. Last I checked, the HN hostname is inside the ycombinator.com DNS zone.
      - brudgers 15y ago
        My point is that shutting down HN would not significantly threaten the survival of YC. Please note that I am assuming that YC, and not HN, is the primary enterprise of the person or persons in a position to deal with these matters.
larrys 15y ago
"If ... can do it" Of all of the above companies you listed, as of right now, it's only on reddit.com
- JoshTriplett 15y ago
  http://boingboing.net/?p=129579 http://boingboing.net/?p=129579 Check out the logos at the bottom.
  - larrys 15y ago
    The "can do it" refers to the question "could we have the SOPA censorship label up on HN's logo today?" (Similar to what was done at http://www.avc.com http://www.avc.com for example.) The comment I am commenting on says: "if google, yahoo, ebay, reddit, mozilla, zynga, AOL, twitter, facebook, linkedIn, etc can do it then i can't see why HN (being all about dev and startup community) can't do it." So "can do it" doesn't refer to signing a letter (which can't be done now anyway) it refers to putting the censorship label over the logo. The majority of the companies mentioned did not do that which was the point that I was making.
- Achshar 15y ago
  from "can do it" i meant publicly oppose the bill and not just change the logo. Sorry for the confusion. PS Mozilla also changed the logo.
dayjah 15y ago
They're conducting YC interviews atm, I doubt this'll even be noticed; I hope it is though.

tptacek 15y ago

Doesn't that just beg everyone to submit SOPA stories to the site? Have we learned anything at all new about SOPA in the past 24 hours?

Archio 15y ago
Read benbsholz's comment (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3243628 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3243628)... It really doesn't hurt to remind people about this and make sure they take action. The future of open source software is at the core of HN, and it could really get affected by this legislation.
- tptacek 15y ago
  Is that a "no"? Because (if it wasn't obvious) that's what I suspect to be the case about these SOPA stories: that they tend to contain little if any new information about SOPA.
  - benbscholz 15y ago
    Getting people to watch the stream is enough. Check it out if you haven't.
    - tptacek 15y ago
      The stream is a great HN submission. Thanks.

suivix 15y ago

Could we not turn HN into an activist site? Thanks.

deleted 15y ago

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coderdude 15y ago

One of the few sites where people really care about this issue and half the comments in this thread are people wondering why we should even bother. I'd laugh if I wasn't so disappointed in you.

maeon3 15y ago

Put down that book citizen, there are copyrighted words in there that you haven't paid for yet. Dont make me taze you. It's coming, sooner or later, the only thing we can do is fight it like alcohol drinkers did with prohibition.