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> Communities are created over years or decades by people who stick around to plant roots and build homes, lives, and businesses This is nonsense, community is

> Communities are created over years or decades by people who stick around to plant roots and build homes, lives, and businesses This is nonsense, community is simply about about shared experience and can absolutely happen with strangers or short term acquaintances. In fact I'd say that's the primary way I've experienced community from college onwards (now 30 y/o) and I expect many young people would feel the same. More to the point, digital nomads often stay in a place for months on end. That's more than enough time to run into people in similar circumstances at a bar/cafe a few times and befriend them, creating shared in-jokes and opinions of your situation, passing them on to other people you meet such that they take on a life of their own—aka, culture. You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places, which is why so many nomads find their ways there.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places Seems like you're mixing this with tech hubs and online communities. Or my understanding of what a real community is, is different than yours.
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- stickfigure 4y ago
  Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Your definition of community is too narrow. If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Yeah, a lot of things ca be a community. Even my board games or bouldering communities. But that has nothing to do with the type of city community in this topic. >Your definition of community is too narrow. It's not my definition here. In this topic we're talking specifically about digital nomads and whether they'd benefit the city of Venice. >If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in I'm not playing anything against any community, but the topic was whether groups of digital nomads can form a community that would benefit the existing communities of the city of Venice and I gave my opinion on why that would not be the case, so please, let's stop changing goalposts to contrarian anecdotes (your community in your dorm from your 20's is not the same as the community of the city of Venice).
  - dieselgate 4y ago
    Certainly agree with your point about communities coming in all shapes and sizes. But it, respectfully, seems a bit like a parody to compare a 20s cohousing experience to the entire city, culture, and history of Venice
znpy 4y ago
> In fact I'd say that's the primary way I've experienced community from college onwards Then you probably never actually experienced a real community. I’ve grown up in a small town of about ~3000 inhabitants, who all pretty much knew each other. Random people knew my family, I could walk anywhere and meet someone who went to school with my dad or who had worked with my grandfather in the 60s/70s. I was often taken care of, as a small child, by people who I didn’t know directly but that knew my family, and who my parents knew. There was also gossip of course, and some darker patterns (early 90ies), but the core idea was thar everybody knew each other and had formed long lasting bonds over the decades. This is what community means when we’re talking towns, not Internet forums. And by the way: most natives will stick around when things are not so great too, nomads will just go somewhere else… in this sense digital normads are more like leeches than anything. They will make prices rise and only improve the pockets of few people (landlords, mainly).
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  > most natives will stick around when things are not so great too, nomads will just go somewhere else… in this sense digital normads are more like leeches than anything. They will make prices rise and only improve the pockets of few people (landlords, mainly x100 this!
- buscoquadnary 4y ago
  I think you've hit the nail on the head with the problems we see in society today. Everyone has replaced their real and physical communities with digital online communities that bring all of the downsides of real communities but fail to provide any of the positive things a community brings. When you end up in a rough spot a physical community can band together to help you, if your place burns down people on the internet will send you lots of thoughts and prayers and some very generous people might shell out a few bucks to help. In a physical community there a limits on what you'll do or say to a person because you have to see them, you share the same social space, and they can materially effect your life. In internet communities everyone outside of your group isn't part of your community and can't impact your life at all so there is no reason to hold back on your worst impulses. I think the widespread societal decay we are seeing probably relates to the dissolution of real communities as they've been replaced by the internet, huge geographical mobility and a decline in family, ethnic/national, and religious identity at the same time.
egypturnash 4y ago
How much of a connection has your "digital nomadry" made with locals? It sounds like most of your connection is with other people in the same rootless situation, not with people who actually live in the nifty places you're visiting. You are certainly in a community but you are probably not much of a part of the community you're visiting. And if my experience as someone who grew up in a tourist destination is any guide, the locals whose job it is to be nice to you probably swap stories about your cluelessness about the local culture, and a lot of the locals whose job is not being nice to you view you with vague disdain at best. You are raw material for the local economy and, we will generally do our best to politely pick you up by your ankles, shake you until money stops falling out, and send you on your way, while making sure you have a good enough time doing this to come back again once you have more money.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  In your scenario it seems like a win win. Everyone gets what they want. Locals get paid and get to feel superior by making fun of the people who are supporting their economy and the nomads get to feel like they are having a great time and live with fellow nomads in a temporary community of people who are actually nice to each other.
- jaqalopes 4y ago
  I'm not a digital nomad, just a person who isn't as cynical as you. I've known digital nomads though. One of them bought a house with the woman he met in that country and remains to this day. Maybe you should reflect on why you think so little of local people in the countries digital nomads visit that you can't imagine them connecting with or being genuinely interested in travelers.
  - fakedang 4y ago
    > One of them bought a house with the woman he met in that country and remains to this day. That is an immigrant, not a digital nomad. Else by your definition, I'm a digital nomad in Europe for the past 7 years - which sounds ridiculous, considering I'm eligible for citizenship in 4 European countries by virtue of my stay.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places Seems like you're mixing this with tech hubs and online communities. Or my understanding of what a real community is, is different than yours.

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stickfigure 4y ago
Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Your definition of community is too narrow. If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Yeah, a lot of things ca be a community. Even my board games or bouldering communities. But that has nothing to do with the type of city community in this topic. >Your definition of community is too narrow. It's not my definition here. In this topic we're talking specifically about digital nomads and whether they'd benefit the city of Venice. >If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in I'm not playing anything against any community, but the topic was whether groups of digital nomads can form a community that would benefit the existing communities of the city of Venice and I gave my opinion on why that would not be the case, so please, let's stop changing goalposts to contrarian anecdotes (your community in your dorm from your 20's is not the same as the community of the city of Venice).
- dieselgate 4y ago
  Certainly agree with your point about communities coming in all shapes and sizes. But it, respectfully, seems a bit like a parody to compare a 20s cohousing experience to the entire city, culture, and history of Venice

znpy 4y ago

> In fact I'd say that's the primary way I've experienced community from college onwards Then you probably never actually experienced a real community. I’ve grown up in a small town of about ~3000 inhabitants, who all pretty much knew each other. Random people knew my family, I could walk anywhere and meet someone who went to school with my dad or who had worked with my grandfather in the 60s/70s. I was often taken care of, as a small child, by people who I didn’t know directly but that knew my family, and who my parents knew. There was also gossip of course, and some darker patterns (early 90ies), but the core idea was thar everybody knew each other and had formed long lasting bonds over the decades. This is what community means when we’re talking towns, not Internet forums. And by the way: most natives will stick around when things are not so great too, nomads will just go somewhere else… in this sense digital normads are more like leeches than anything. They will make prices rise and only improve the pockets of few people (landlords, mainly).

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
> most natives will stick around when things are not so great too, nomads will just go somewhere else… in this sense digital normads are more like leeches than anything. They will make prices rise and only improve the pockets of few people (landlords, mainly x100 this!
buscoquadnary 4y ago
I think you've hit the nail on the head with the problems we see in society today. Everyone has replaced their real and physical communities with digital online communities that bring all of the downsides of real communities but fail to provide any of the positive things a community brings. When you end up in a rough spot a physical community can band together to help you, if your place burns down people on the internet will send you lots of thoughts and prayers and some very generous people might shell out a few bucks to help. In a physical community there a limits on what you'll do or say to a person because you have to see them, you share the same social space, and they can materially effect your life. In internet communities everyone outside of your group isn't part of your community and can't impact your life at all so there is no reason to hold back on your worst impulses. I think the widespread societal decay we are seeing probably relates to the dissolution of real communities as they've been replaced by the internet, huge geographical mobility and a decline in family, ethnic/national, and religious identity at the same time.

egypturnash 4y ago

How much of a connection has your "digital nomadry" made with locals? It sounds like most of your connection is with other people in the same rootless situation, not with people who actually live in the nifty places you're visiting. You are certainly in a community but you are probably not much of a part of the community you're visiting. And if my experience as someone who grew up in a tourist destination is any guide, the locals whose job it is to be nice to you probably swap stories about your cluelessness about the local culture, and a lot of the locals whose job is not being nice to you view you with vague disdain at best. You are raw material for the local economy and, we will generally do our best to politely pick you up by your ankles, shake you until money stops falling out, and send you on your way, while making sure you have a good enough time doing this to come back again once you have more money.

wonderwonder 4y ago
In your scenario it seems like a win win. Everyone gets what they want. Locals get paid and get to feel superior by making fun of the people who are supporting their economy and the nomads get to feel like they are having a great time and live with fellow nomads in a temporary community of people who are actually nice to each other.
jaqalopes 4y ago
I'm not a digital nomad, just a person who isn't as cynical as you. I've known digital nomads though. One of them bought a house with the woman he met in that country and remains to this day. Maybe you should reflect on why you think so little of local people in the countries digital nomads visit that you can't imagine them connecting with or being genuinely interested in travelers.
- fakedang 4y ago
  > One of them bought a house with the woman he met in that country and remains to this day. That is an immigrant, not a digital nomad. Else by your definition, I'm a digital nomad in Europe for the past 7 years - which sounds ridiculous, considering I'm eligible for citizenship in 4 European countries by virtue of my stay.