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I agree that large, dense urban centers are not good economically, especially when they depend on one industry. That said, dense urban centers can have communit

by kodah 4y ago

I agree that large, dense urban centers are not good economically, especially when they depend on one industry. That said, dense urban centers can have communities, and I don't think it's fair to automatically exclude anyone who has chosen to not put down roots there. I've mostly read your comments as negative and gate keeping.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Who was I gate keeping?
- kodah 4y ago
  Anyone that doesn't live in a place for n number of years. You tried to mix that with a bunch of talk about tech bros, overpriced lattes, and the cost of dense urban centers with singular industries but I think most folks see right through that. What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community That's not what I said and I feel like you've take this personally. You have an idealistic view of tech communities, but the reality is that most communities of western digital nomads or tech workers, like those in S-E Asia and other parts of the world, are more like gated communities or private amusement parks and less like communities in the traditional sense that benefit the local environment long term, like you usually see in smalls European cities. Even techies in the west don't create great living communities when in large numbers in the same place since what you usually get is booming housing prices, NIMBYISM, elitism, and a constant pressure to keep up with the Jonses. I'm not gate keeping anyone, I'm just telling it like it is in reality.
    - kodah 4y ago
      I did take it personally, because you are describing me - you shouldn't be surprised that you're talking to and about real people. I've moved around every 3-4 years between being in the military and building a career in tech. I moved out of my home state because wages for tech workers where I lived were dismally low. I was rapidly approaching the point where owning a home was difficult, so I left and came out West. I'm here because I have to be. That hasn't prohibited me from joining and participating in communities. Maybe you'd be surprised to find out that most local communities are connected to larger communities; in fact, if you're someone who moves around a lot you often depend on these to land in places without feeling lost. All of what I've described here isn't unique to the states. I did all of this so that I could actually afford to put down roots somewhere that I can sustainably have a job as well too. Turns out that's expensive and I'll go where I need to go in order to make that happen in the future. You are gate keeping, you're just hiding it behind very charged rhetoric that sounds progressive.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >because you are describing me If you read my posts, I wrote nothing that matches what you just wrote about yourself, so I doubt that. Plus, I cannot control how you choose to fit yourself to my descriptions as I don't know you. >You are gate keeping I'm not gatekeeping anyone. You are free to move wherever you want and do whatever you want. I just said that large numbers of digital tech nomads moving to a place, especially one where the locals earn a lot less, doesn't improve the local community there, but quite the opposite. Whether this applies to you or not I can't say or control. I will stop talking with you here, as I feel like you have an axe to grind and this conversation will never end.
      - plorkyeran 4y ago
        > you are describing me > everyone treats the place like a holiday amusement park. Not learning the local language, not integrating with the locals, not adapting to local laws, customs and traditions, they're just there to have their fun of being the top 1% earners there, consume, party, Tinder around, and once the novelty wears off, move on. I don't see how that matches your description of yourself in any way? It sure sounds like they're describing a very different group of people who have just a single thing in common with you, and then you've gone out of your way to misread that as an insult to you.

by kodah 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Who was I gate keeping?

kodah 4y ago
Anyone that doesn't live in a place for n number of years. You tried to mix that with a bunch of talk about tech bros, overpriced lattes, and the cost of dense urban centers with singular industries but I think most folks see right through that. What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community That's not what I said and I feel like you've take this personally. You have an idealistic view of tech communities, but the reality is that most communities of western digital nomads or tech workers, like those in S-E Asia and other parts of the world, are more like gated communities or private amusement parks and less like communities in the traditional sense that benefit the local environment long term, like you usually see in smalls European cities. Even techies in the west don't create great living communities when in large numbers in the same place since what you usually get is booming housing prices, NIMBYISM, elitism, and a constant pressure to keep up with the Jonses. I'm not gate keeping anyone, I'm just telling it like it is in reality.
  - kodah 4y ago
    I did take it personally, because you are describing me - you shouldn't be surprised that you're talking to and about real people. I've moved around every 3-4 years between being in the military and building a career in tech. I moved out of my home state because wages for tech workers where I lived were dismally low. I was rapidly approaching the point where owning a home was difficult, so I left and came out West. I'm here because I have to be. That hasn't prohibited me from joining and participating in communities. Maybe you'd be surprised to find out that most local communities are connected to larger communities; in fact, if you're someone who moves around a lot you often depend on these to land in places without feeling lost. All of what I've described here isn't unique to the states. I did all of this so that I could actually afford to put down roots somewhere that I can sustainably have a job as well too. Turns out that's expensive and I'll go where I need to go in order to make that happen in the future. You are gate keeping, you're just hiding it behind very charged rhetoric that sounds progressive.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >because you are describing me If you read my posts, I wrote nothing that matches what you just wrote about yourself, so I doubt that. Plus, I cannot control how you choose to fit yourself to my descriptions as I don't know you. >You are gate keeping I'm not gatekeeping anyone. You are free to move wherever you want and do whatever you want. I just said that large numbers of digital tech nomads moving to a place, especially one where the locals earn a lot less, doesn't improve the local community there, but quite the opposite. Whether this applies to you or not I can't say or control. I will stop talking with you here, as I feel like you have an axe to grind and this conversation will never end.
    - plorkyeran 4y ago
      > you are describing me > everyone treats the place like a holiday amusement park. Not learning the local language, not integrating with the locals, not adapting to local laws, customs and traditions, they're just there to have their fun of being the top 1% earners there, consume, party, Tinder around, and once the novelty wears off, move on. I don't see how that matches your description of yourself in any way? It sure sounds like they're describing a very different group of people who have just a single thing in common with you, and then you've gone out of your way to misread that as an insult to you.