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>digital nomads there to create a sense of community How can they create a community if they're nomads? Communities are created over years or decades by peopl

>digital nomads there to create a sense of community How can they create a community if they're nomads? Communities are created over years or decades by people who stick around together (for the good times and for the bad times as well) to plant roots and build homes, lives, and businesses locally, sometimes for more than one generation, not by yuppie remote tech bros with MacBooks who come over to spend some money, have their fun, and once they're bored or life gets a bit unpleasant, leave.

seydor 4y ago
digital nomadism does have a culture though, and they tend to create hubs, even if those are revolving doors.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >they tend to create hubs Hubs and communities are two vey different things in my book. And major tech hubs with top paying jobs or a concentration of rich tech workers tend to score poorly at anything related to the sense of "community" as you have major gentrification issues from the giant wealth disparity and a caste system of those with tech jobs and money and those without. And the modern, compensation oriented tech workers, have rarely been great at forming any kind of community together, let alone with others, being more individualistic and preferring always to do things each their own way. Just ask them to unionize and see what happens. >even if those are revolving doors And "revolving door" communities are the worst. S-E Asia and Latin America are full of these gated communities of western remote workers and digital nomads and it kinda sucks, as everyone treats the place like a holiday amusement park. Not learning the local language, not integrating with the locals, not adapting to local laws, customs and traditions, they're just there to have their fun of being the top 1% earners there, consume, party, Tinder around, and once the novelty wears off, move on. That's the worst kind of community I can think of. For me, community, is what I see in small european villages/cities with small family businesses going back generations and everyone investing back into the local community and in the local environment for the future generations in the long run.
  - kodah 4y ago
    I agree that large, dense urban centers are not good economically, especially when they depend on one industry. That said, dense urban centers can have communities, and I don't think it's fair to automatically exclude anyone who has chosen to not put down roots there. I've mostly read your comments as negative and gate keeping.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Who was I gate keeping?
      - kodah 4y ago
        Anyone that doesn't live in a place for n number of years. You tried to mix that with a bunch of talk about tech bros, overpriced lattes, and the cost of dense urban centers with singular industries but I think most folks see right through that. What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community That's not what I said and I feel like you've take this personally. You have an idealistic view of tech communities, but the reality is that most communities of western digital nomads or tech workers, like those in S-E Asia and other parts of the world, are more like gated communities or private amusement parks and less like communities in the traditional sense that benefit the local environment long term, like you usually see in smalls European cities. Even techies in the west don't create great living communities when in large numbers in the same place since what you usually get is booming housing prices, NIMBYISM, elitism, and a constant pressure to keep up with the Jonses. I'm not gate keeping anyone, I'm just telling it like it is in reality.
        4y ago
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Theme park sized WeWork setups, what could possibly go wrong?
scrose 4y ago
It looks like they’re already learning this the hard way: > Venice authorities this year announced a plan to attract remote workers to the city, but it appears to have made little impact.
jaqalopes 4y ago
> Communities are created over years or decades by people who stick around to plant roots and build homes, lives, and businesses This is nonsense, community is simply about about shared experience and can absolutely happen with strangers or short term acquaintances. In fact I'd say that's the primary way I've experienced community from college onwards (now 30 y/o) and I expect many young people would feel the same. More to the point, digital nomads often stay in a place for months on end. That's more than enough time to run into people in similar circumstances at a bar/cafe a few times and befriend them, creating shared in-jokes and opinions of your situation, passing them on to other people you meet such that they take on a life of their own—aka, culture. You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places, which is why so many nomads find their ways there.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places Seems like you're mixing this with tech hubs and online communities. Or my understanding of what a real community is, is different than yours.
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  - stickfigure 4y ago
    Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Your definition of community is too narrow. If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Yeah, a lot of things ca be a community. Even my board games or bouldering communities. But that has nothing to do with the type of city community in this topic. >Your definition of community is too narrow. It's not my definition here. In this topic we're talking specifically about digital nomads and whether they'd benefit the city of Venice. >If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in I'm not playing anything against any community, but the topic was whether groups of digital nomads can form a community that would benefit the existing communities of the city of Venice and I gave my opinion on why that would not be the case, so please, let's stop changing goalposts to contrarian anecdotes (your community in your dorm from your 20's is not the same as the community of the city of Venice).

seydor 4y ago

digital nomadism does have a culture though, and they tend to create hubs, even if those are revolving doors.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>they tend to create hubs Hubs and communities are two vey different things in my book. And major tech hubs with top paying jobs or a concentration of rich tech workers tend to score poorly at anything related to the sense of "community" as you have major gentrification issues from the giant wealth disparity and a caste system of those with tech jobs and money and those without. And the modern, compensation oriented tech workers, have rarely been great at forming any kind of community together, let alone with others, being more individualistic and preferring always to do things each their own way. Just ask them to unionize and see what happens. >even if those are revolving doors And "revolving door" communities are the worst. S-E Asia and Latin America are full of these gated communities of western remote workers and digital nomads and it kinda sucks, as everyone treats the place like a holiday amusement park. Not learning the local language, not integrating with the locals, not adapting to local laws, customs and traditions, they're just there to have their fun of being the top 1% earners there, consume, party, Tinder around, and once the novelty wears off, move on. That's the worst kind of community I can think of. For me, community, is what I see in small european villages/cities with small family businesses going back generations and everyone investing back into the local community and in the local environment for the future generations in the long run.
- kodah 4y ago
  I agree that large, dense urban centers are not good economically, especially when they depend on one industry. That said, dense urban centers can have communities, and I don't think it's fair to automatically exclude anyone who has chosen to not put down roots there. I've mostly read your comments as negative and gate keeping.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Who was I gate keeping?
    - kodah 4y ago
      Anyone that doesn't live in a place for n number of years. You tried to mix that with a bunch of talk about tech bros, overpriced lattes, and the cost of dense urban centers with singular industries but I think most folks see right through that. What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >What you're really promoting is that unless someone is in your area to stay, you don't think they can/should build or be a part of a community That's not what I said and I feel like you've take this personally. You have an idealistic view of tech communities, but the reality is that most communities of western digital nomads or tech workers, like those in S-E Asia and other parts of the world, are more like gated communities or private amusement parks and less like communities in the traditional sense that benefit the local environment long term, like you usually see in smalls European cities. Even techies in the west don't create great living communities when in large numbers in the same place since what you usually get is booming housing prices, NIMBYISM, elitism, and a constant pressure to keep up with the Jonses. I'm not gate keeping anyone, I'm just telling it like it is in reality.
        4y ago
jacquesm 4y ago
Theme park sized WeWork setups, what could possibly go wrong?

scrose 4y ago

It looks like they’re already learning this the hard way: > Venice authorities this year announced a plan to attract remote workers to the city, but it appears to have made little impact.

jaqalopes 4y ago

> Communities are created over years or decades by people who stick around to plant roots and build homes, lives, and businesses This is nonsense, community is simply about about shared experience and can absolutely happen with strangers or short term acquaintances. In fact I'd say that's the primary way I've experienced community from college onwards (now 30 y/o) and I expect many young people would feel the same. More to the point, digital nomads often stay in a place for months on end. That's more than enough time to run into people in similar circumstances at a bar/cafe a few times and befriend them, creating shared in-jokes and opinions of your situation, passing them on to other people you meet such that they take on a life of their own—aka, culture. You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places, which is why so many nomads find their ways there.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>You need look no farther than major digital nomad hubs like Chiang Mai and Bali to see that there are extremely vibrant communities in these places Seems like you're mixing this with tech hubs and online communities. Or my understanding of what a real community is, is different than yours.
- deleted 4y ago
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- stickfigure 4y ago
  Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Your definition of community is too narrow. If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >Communities come in all shapes and sizes. Yeah, a lot of things ca be a community. Even my board games or bouldering communities. But that has nothing to do with the type of city community in this topic. >Your definition of community is too narrow. It's not my definition here. In this topic we're talking specifically about digital nomads and whether they'd benefit the city of Venice. >If you want to play "more community than thou", you're going to lose to the cohousing I spent my 20s in I'm not playing anything against any community, but the topic was whether groups of digital nomads can form a community that would benefit the existing communities of the city of Venice and I gave my opinion on why that would not be the case, so please, let's stop changing goalposts to contrarian anecdotes (your community in your dorm from your 20's is not the same as the community of the city of Venice).