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Isn't Italy in general facing massive demographic decline? Is this all that unique to Venice?

potiuper 4y ago
As the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Italy shows some are better off; venice is unique: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-economic-history-of-venice-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-economic-history-of-veni...
- TylerE 4y ago
  Italy itself is a rather recent concept, surprisingly. The modern country of Italy didn't form until 1866, after a rather long series of civil wars. Venice was it's own Republic until 1798, when it fell to Napoleon.
  - butokai 4y ago
    That makes the country of Italy rather recent (just like most European countries), not the concept of Italy. The concept of Italy is much older than the country (for example, “Italian” was used as a language in the Venetian republic, and by that it was meant Florentine)
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    And by venice itself we forget to mention all the coast in jugoslavia
jeffbee 4y ago
It is less known than I would have expected that Italy has a program under which you can move there if you have any kind of skills and are an EU or US citizen, and they give you a massive tax break of between 50% and 90%. I'm considering doing it myself, just to take a break from America. You can be self-employed and you get more tax breaks for having dependent children!
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  I can confirm, had no idea they had such programs. In general, Italy is seen as in pretty bad shape inside the EU (“PIGS”). While it’s economy’s size is still nothing to sneeze at, people going for the weather and the sea who have no specific cultural allegiance will choose Spain as a safer bet. From the outside, the political scene has pretty much ruined Italy’s image as a serious business country, when you have Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, to some degree France as comparison points, all in the EU so you can also relatively easily move to.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Italy has 1000km of high-speed rail and California has none, so despite their reputation for dysfunction I can still look favorably upon a country that seems to at least sometimes work.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      I get your perspective, but most of Europe right north of Italy has decently functional public transport. Italy is really not that bad in absolute, for crying out loud it's the 9th GDP in the world. It all comes down to looking at specific aspects and comparing to its neighbors.

As the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Italy shows some are better off; venice is unique: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-economic-history-of-venice-2012-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/the-economic-history-of-veni...

TylerE 4y ago
Italy itself is a rather recent concept, surprisingly. The modern country of Italy didn't form until 1866, after a rather long series of civil wars. Venice was it's own Republic until 1798, when it fell to Napoleon.
- butokai 4y ago
  That makes the country of Italy rather recent (just like most European countries), not the concept of Italy. The concept of Italy is much older than the country (for example, “Italian” was used as a language in the Venetian republic, and by that it was meant Florentine)
- LtWorf 4y ago
  And by venice itself we forget to mention all the coast in jugoslavia

jeffbee 4y ago

It is less known than I would have expected that Italy has a program under which you can move there if you have any kind of skills and are an EU or US citizen, and they give you a massive tax break of between 50% and 90%. I'm considering doing it myself, just to take a break from America. You can be self-employed and you get more tax breaks for having dependent children!

makeitdouble 4y ago
I can confirm, had no idea they had such programs. In general, Italy is seen as in pretty bad shape inside the EU (“PIGS”). While it’s economy’s size is still nothing to sneeze at, people going for the weather and the sea who have no specific cultural allegiance will choose Spain as a safer bet. From the outside, the political scene has pretty much ruined Italy’s image as a serious business country, when you have Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, to some degree France as comparison points, all in the EU so you can also relatively easily move to.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Italy has 1000km of high-speed rail and California has none, so despite their reputation for dysfunction I can still look favorably upon a country that seems to at least sometimes work.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    I get your perspective, but most of Europe right north of Italy has decently functional public transport. Italy is really not that bad in absolute, for crying out loud it's the 9th GDP in the world. It all comes down to looking at specific aspects and comparing to its neighbors.