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I consumed exactly zero plant-based calories during all of 2021 — no alcohol, no plant-based cooking oil — NOTHING from a plant. I ended the year in about the
by jononomo 4y ago
I consumed exactly zero plant-based calories during all of 2021 — no alcohol, no plant-based cooking oil — NOTHING from a plant.
I ended the year in about the best shape of my life — and now that I understand nutrition better I plan to get back on that plan (trying to be “moderate” this year has been underwhelming).
Basically, meat makes you healthy and plants make you fart, give you dry skin, and don’t do anything at all for your musculature.
All the vitamins, minerals, and micronutrients are more highly available in animal-based foods than they are in plant-based food, and the macronutrient profile is basically ideal for human health as well.
It honestly makes me sad that so many people incorrectly think that red meat is not healthy. Red meat is in fact the most nutritious food you can eat and it is an ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY that this is not more widely understood.
- FrankyHollywood 4y agoSo no vitamine c intake? Wouldn't recommend it on the long term https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy
- jononomo 4y agoI have addressed this point elsewhere in this thread, and it has also been explained ten thousand times on forums such as https://reddit.com/r/carnivore https://reddit.com/r/carnivore The long and the short of it is that fresh meat contains vitamin C and the carnivore diet also reduces your body's need for vitamin C because vitamin C is used for the synthesis of collagen and you will be getting collagen directly by following this diet. You can read more here: https://www.kevinstock.io/health/do-humans-need-vitamin-c/ https://www.kevinstock.io/health/do-humans-need-vitamin-c/
- FrankyHollywood 4y agoAh never knew meat contains vitamin c, seems to be mostly in the liver. Well it's an interesting experiment going on meat and see how the body responds.
- jononomo 4y agoyes, beef liver is the most nutritious thing you can eat on Earth, bar none. But there are some carnivores who only eat ribeye steaks and do not eat the organ meats -- and they don't get scurvy.
- markeibes 4y agoThere won't be any planet to live on if people followed this moronic advice
- rapjr9 4y agoIn eating meat you are probably eating some cancer that was present in the animals. Not sure if acid digested animal cancer can cause human cancer, anyone know of a study?
- tartrate 4y agoWhen you eventually die from colon cancer, remember this day and remember that somebody warned you that too much meat is bad for you. Also, try reading up on the benefits of leafy greens. I suspect you'll take neither of these advice, but here ends the attention to your health that you'll receive from me.
- onnnon 4y agoI agree. Meat is the most nutritionally complete food. I haven't eaten vegetables in years. There's nothing more gentle on the digestive system than meat.
- jononomo 4y agoEXACTLY! “Gentle on the digestive system” is the perfect way to describe it. You never feel bloated, but you feel satiated after eating, you find that you naturally begin eating less frequently because you are more fully nourished when you do eat, and then you notice that you’re pooping half as often as you used to and the Volume is also half what it used to be — because it turns out that your body is actually USING what you are, instead of just passing it through your system after gleaning a few scraps of nutrition, which is what happens when you eat plants. Also, it is honestly remarkable to COMPLETELY stop farting after switching to an animal-based diet.
- bamboozled 4y agoSounds like total BS to me. Whey protein isn’t considered meat but it’s a complete protein. Same goes for eggs. Vegetarians eat these things too.
- jononomo 4y agoYeah, it is possible to stay alive on a vegetarian diet if you include eggs and dairy. Some “vegetarians” even include fish. Obviously the more fish, eggs, and dairy you consume the better off you’ll be. Strict vegans, on the other hand, literally die.
- bamboozled 4y agoYou’re argument is still trash. Societies through history have lived healthy lives with little or no meat for centuries. Indigenous people forever have ate a combination of meat, fish and fruits, nuts, grains and vegetables. Have you heard of India ?
- jononomo 4y agoYes -- I grew up in India and I am familiar with their diet. India has terrible rates of diabetes and has one of the lowest life expectancies in the world.
- bamboozled 4y agoI’m skeptical you actually did grow up in India but there’s a lot of factors besides diet as to why India would have a low life expectancy.
- jononomo 4y agoI lived in India from 1976 - 1993. What reason do you have to doubt me???
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- gassiss 4y agoplants are good for your health, so are plants. Both extremes have their pitfalls
- neuralRiot 4y agoOn the other hand i’ve been vegan for over 10 years, i can squat 300lbs and I’m 190lbs at 10% bf at almost 50 years old. All this without supporting the most cruel and polluting industry. Who is right?
- jononomo 4y agoYeah, the only way to make it work is to be an exercise nut. In order to get the nutrition your body needs from a vegan diet you will need to consume more calories than you would consume on a carnivore diet. So you need to exercise to burn these extra calories off and maintain that “fit vegan” look — although eventually it will catch up with you. As for “cruel and polluting”, that’s also a bigger problem with agriculture — because of the clear-cutting, the insecticides, the secondary effects of insecticides on birds, all the agricultural run-off, and so forth. You need to think more critically than “did this piece of food on my plate once have a face?” Just because you’re eating soybeans doesn’t mean you’re not killing animals — it is just indirect and even more ecologically devastating.
- jchoca 4y agoIf we care about collateral damage done to animals due to plant farming, then we should still stop eating animals due to the efficiency loss in calories when converting plants to animal calories. 70% of soy is grown for animal feed, and so is something like 50% of corn. Don't tell me all cows just need to be grazing all the time. There just isn't enough land for that. Even assuming 100% of our calories aren't coming from meat. The carnivore diet simply isn't sustainable. Suggesting that's something the entire human race should be doing is lunacy. I'd wager all these people who feel good on the carnivore diet feel that way because they've stopped consuming processed carbs and other garbage. Meanwhile that diet and keto are associated with increase in all-cause mortality.
- jononomo 4y agoWe can't eat grass
- jagraff 4y agoWhat about fiber? As far as I know you can only get fiber from plants, and we need some fiber in our diets to maintain a healthy gut.
- jononomo 4y agoThis was one of the biggest eye-openers for me. First, it turns out that you don’t need fiber for a healthy gut. Second, it also turns out that a zero-fiber diet will reduce the volume of poop you produce by 75% and you’ll also completely stop farting.
- nabogh 4y agoWhere do you get vitamin c?
- jononomo 4y agoFresh meat contains vitamin C, as does liver. In fact, it has been known for hundreds of years that fresh meat prevents scurvy — the reason people associate vitamin C with citrus is because lemons were taken on board long ship voyages back in the day to prevent scurvy — but this is because you can’t keep meat fresh for months on a ship without refrigeration.
- nabogh 4y agoSo you eat organ meats too?
- sushid 4y agoMost carnivores argue that "you're not doing it right" if you avoid offals. Some take offals in pill form or blend some into burgers. There are lots of actually delicious ways to eat them, especially in Asian cuisine (admittedly I'm biased here).
- jononomo 4y agoI do eat liver, but I go in spurts - sometimes I'll go several months without eating any liver, other times I'll eat it daily for a week or two.
- Mildlypolite 4y agoI am not judging anybody, you can have whichever diet you want. Nothing from a plant is dangerous according to any scientifically based diet. We did not evolve with a carnivorous only diet, there are many studies about hunter gatherers and they have mostly a vegetarian diet with occasional meat. Their gut microbiome is much more varied, and a varied ecosystem is a resilient ecosystem, therefore you are less vulnerable to pathogens bacteria.
- jononomo 4y agoYou said: "nothing from a plant is dangerous according to any scientifically-based diet". But... plants contain oxalates, lectins, and phytates just for starters. Their seeds, roots, leaves, and stalks are all well defended. Only the fruit is "meant" to be eaten. In fact, if you go out in the forest and just start randomly eating the plants you find there, then you will discover that 99% of all plants are inedible and will cause you severe distress or death if you persist in eating them. Plants use chemicals to fend off predators, whereas animals will often fend off predators by running or fighting. So once an animal is dead its defenses have been overcome whereas once a plant has been killed all its chemical defenses are still intact. Interestingly, extraordinarily few animals are unsafe to eat -- less than 1%, which is the complete opposite of the percentage of plants that are edible. Also, your remark that we did not evolve on a carnivorous diet is just wrong. In fact, homo erectus bones are almost always found together with the bones of mammoths, which they hunted and ate for something like one million years. Mammoths are just one of hundreds of species of mega fauna that ancient human hunted to extinction. Also, to this day there are indigenous human communities that live exclusively on meat (Inuit, Hazda, Sami, Maasai).
- raxxorraxor 4y agoHumans are omnivorous but it may change with circumstances. Polar bears are carnivorous while their counterparts in hotter climates are omnivorous. For people living in the cold climates there simply are few alternatives, other cultures may decide to eat a lot of meat because their way of living provides it.
- lock-the-spock 4y ago