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Here's the real depressing part of Assisted Suicide; It is being approved for patients that cannot afford to live because Government Disability payments are to

Here's the real depressing part of Assisted Suicide; It is being approved for patients that cannot afford to live because Government Disability payments are too low. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivities-chose-medically-assisted-death-after-failed-bid-to-get-better-housing-1.5860579 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivit... The profound shame of this isn't shared by elected officials.

cjbgkagh 4y ago
The inevitable bonus in treating people badly to save money is they are now pushed to suicide so the government gets to save even more money. Plus there is no-one left to complain about it once they are gone. I worry that it’ll become an easy solution to many difficult problems. Take the psychologizing of ME/CFS and Long Covid for example, how many of those people are going to be corralled into this.
phendrenad2 4y ago
This is just euthanasia of the poor, right? It seems Canada is regressing away from some of its liberal ideals.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Canada is following liberal ideals to their natural conclusions.
notch656a 4y ago
- yesco 4y ago
  Not sure how you could suggest she was bluffing when she actually went through with it...
- SQueeeeeL 4y ago
  >What a piece of work. She was using threatening of death as a blackmail. I don't feel bad that someone who blackmailed others in this way had their card called. Wait, are you saying your glad someone with a mental illness who wasn't getting the help they needed (to the point they felt that they needed to end their life) is somehow a good and just thing..... it wasn't like she threatened a spouse or individual, the government of an industrialized western nation wasn't providing proper care.....
  - notch656a 4y ago
    >>What a piece of work. She was using threatening of death as a blackmail. I don't feel bad that someone who blackmailed others in this way had their card called. >Wait, are you saying your glad someone with a mental illness who wasn't getting the help they needed (to the point they felt that they needed to end their life) is somehow a good and just thing..... it wasn't like she threatened a spouse or individual, the government of an industrialized western nation wasn't providing proper care..... No but saying "do what I say or else I lay the emotional burden of my death upon you" is absolutely despicable and should not be encouraged.
    - SQueeeeeL 4y ago
      That's a narrow view, using suicide as a mechanism of political change has a pretty substantial history. It turns out extremely marginalized people don't have any leverage except the media coverage that comes as a result of their deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
      - notch656a 4y ago
        It's rich comparing a Canadian woman who is handed literally everything except some extremely individualized demands on disability with apparently no need to work at all to "extremely marginalized" Chinese slave labor working 72+ hours a week in smog-filled cities where living labor-free in your own apartment next to someone smoking a cigarette sounds like a clean-room paradise. I would say being able to not work, have physician services, housing, and food provided to you in a first world nation all on the back of the public puts you squarely on one of the most privileged people on earth, one of the last place recipients in the oppression/marginalized Olympics if you will. And to go further and say "Give me more free shit or I off myself" puts it almost into the drop-dead-laughing realm of absurdity. And I might add blackmailing someone is a bit different than killing yourself purely in response to something. For instance, I consider the immolation of the monks to be different in the regard that they usually aren't sending letters "do what I say or I kill myself" but rather "I am killing myself in response to this injustice." One is blackmail, the other is not.
JamesBarney 4y ago
The women linked to has a disorder, and couldn't get the money to live in a place without "chemicals" that would resolve her symptoms. One of the problems with getting the government to pay for you to live in a nicer place due to this disorder is that there is very little evidence this disorder is caused by the chemicals and a good amount of evidence the disorder is a psychiatric one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity
- biggc 4y ago
  > the disorder is a psychiatric one That doesn't make the symptoms any less real for a person suffering from the condition.
  - JamesBarney 4y ago
    I never said it made the symptoms or suffering less real. But it does explain why insurance (governmental or private) might be reluctant to pay for non-psychiatric interventions. For instance if you believed that some people could read your thoughts unless you wore a lead helmet you might expect insurance to pay for anti-psychotics, but not necessarily a lead helmet. Is this the right approach the right one I'm not sure, but I understand why large organizations are reluctant to treat psychiatric diseases that way. For a counter example search for hair dryer incident on this blog post. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...
heavyset_go 4y ago
Most media outlets have policies on not publicizing suicides, so there are countless suicides that were committed for economic reasons that we'll never know about. I knew of someone through someone else that ended up committing suicide in a public place. Couldn't afford to live in a dignified way, and left countless notes explaining why they did what they did. All of them were scrubbed from the internet, and if you didn't know of them you would have never known it happened at all. This happens more often than most people know.
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FeaturelessBug 4y ago
This is horrid. Thank you for sharing this info.

cjbgkagh 4y ago

The inevitable bonus in treating people badly to save money is they are now pushed to suicide so the government gets to save even more money. Plus there is no-one left to complain about it once they are gone. I worry that it’ll become an easy solution to many difficult problems. Take the psychologizing of ME/CFS and Long Covid for example, how many of those people are going to be corralled into this.

phendrenad2 4y ago

This is just euthanasia of the poor, right? It seems Canada is regressing away from some of its liberal ideals.

ipaddr 4y ago
Canada is following liberal ideals to their natural conclusions.

notch656a 4y ago

yesco 4y ago
Not sure how you could suggest she was bluffing when she actually went through with it...
SQueeeeeL 4y ago
>What a piece of work. She was using threatening of death as a blackmail. I don't feel bad that someone who blackmailed others in this way had their card called. Wait, are you saying your glad someone with a mental illness who wasn't getting the help they needed (to the point they felt that they needed to end their life) is somehow a good and just thing..... it wasn't like she threatened a spouse or individual, the government of an industrialized western nation wasn't providing proper care.....
- notch656a 4y ago
  >>What a piece of work. She was using threatening of death as a blackmail. I don't feel bad that someone who blackmailed others in this way had their card called. >Wait, are you saying your glad someone with a mental illness who wasn't getting the help they needed (to the point they felt that they needed to end their life) is somehow a good and just thing..... it wasn't like she threatened a spouse or individual, the government of an industrialized western nation wasn't providing proper care..... No but saying "do what I say or else I lay the emotional burden of my death upon you" is absolutely despicable and should not be encouraged.
  - SQueeeeeL 4y ago
    That's a narrow view, using suicide as a mechanism of political change has a pretty substantial history. It turns out extremely marginalized people don't have any leverage except the media coverage that comes as a result of their deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%9... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
    - notch656a 4y ago
      It's rich comparing a Canadian woman who is handed literally everything except some extremely individualized demands on disability with apparently no need to work at all to "extremely marginalized" Chinese slave labor working 72+ hours a week in smog-filled cities where living labor-free in your own apartment next to someone smoking a cigarette sounds like a clean-room paradise. I would say being able to not work, have physician services, housing, and food provided to you in a first world nation all on the back of the public puts you squarely on one of the most privileged people on earth, one of the last place recipients in the oppression/marginalized Olympics if you will. And to go further and say "Give me more free shit or I off myself" puts it almost into the drop-dead-laughing realm of absurdity. And I might add blackmailing someone is a bit different than killing yourself purely in response to something. For instance, I consider the immolation of the monks to be different in the regard that they usually aren't sending letters "do what I say or I kill myself" but rather "I am killing myself in response to this injustice." One is blackmail, the other is not.

JamesBarney 4y ago

The women linked to has a disorder, and couldn't get the money to live in a place without "chemicals" that would resolve her symptoms. One of the problems with getting the government to pay for you to live in a nicer place due to this disorder is that there is very little evidence this disorder is caused by the chemicals and a good amount of evidence the disorder is a psychiatric one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_chemical_sensitivity

biggc 4y ago
> the disorder is a psychiatric one That doesn't make the symptoms any less real for a person suffering from the condition.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  I never said it made the symptoms or suffering less real. But it does explain why insurance (governmental or private) might be reluctant to pay for non-psychiatric interventions. For instance if you believed that some people could read your thoughts unless you wore a lead helmet you might expect insurance to pay for anti-psychotics, but not necessarily a lead helmet. Is this the right approach the right one I'm not sure, but I understand why large organizations are reluctant to treat psychiatric diseases that way. For a counter example search for hair dryer incident on this blog post. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-ma...

heavyset_go 4y ago

Most media outlets have policies on not publicizing suicides, so there are countless suicides that were committed for economic reasons that we'll never know about. I knew of someone through someone else that ended up committing suicide in a public place. Couldn't afford to live in a dignified way, and left countless notes explaining why they did what they did. All of them were scrubbed from the internet, and if you didn't know of them you would have never known it happened at all. This happens more often than most people know.

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FeaturelessBug 4y ago

This is horrid. Thank you for sharing this info.