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And we're now going to get 87,000 more auditors. This is the largest increase in the federal police force (they are all armed) ever. The politicos are already

And we're now going to get 87,000 more auditors. This is the largest increase in the federal police force (they are all armed) ever. The politicos are already dancing around this saying how "middle class" people will not have an increased chance of audit.

enterthematrix 4y ago
Fundamentally if you just pay your taxes, you shouldn't be audited (ideally.) That being said... an increase in auditors is net good because then the IRS can actually audit some of the massive number of tax crimes that occur. This is good.
- oaththrowaway 4y ago
  Less good for your pets
- tomohawk 4y ago
  The tax code is incredibly complex, which means unless your tax filing is trivial, you likely have misfiled. The Secretary of the Treasury (not current one) was found to have misfiled his return. When asked, all he could say was he put the numbers into Turbo Tax, and this is what it spit out. I have a family member who gets audited by the IRS every year. They've never found anything, but the harrassment continues year after year. Once the IRS has these additional people, they will have to use them, and they will have to justify them.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I was the unfortunate subject of a TCMP/NRP audit. Even with no tax issues identified in the audit, this took over $2K in my representation costs, ran over a year in calendar time, and seemed to exhibit no concern for the wastefulness on either party’s time and money. This was a fairly simple W-2, 1099-B, 401(k) couple of regular workers with a couple kids return. Based on my experience, I’m not in favor of this expansion.
  - LorenPechtel 4y ago
    The TCMP audits are not about finding money--by that standard they are incredibly wasteful. Rather, they are about investigating how honest people are being and in what ways they are being dishonest. I believe the answer to TCMP audits is to have the IRS pay you an appreciable amount if no substantial issues come to light as they are an unreasonable burden to those who get selected.
shkkmo 4y ago
> And we're now going to get 87,000 more auditors. This is the largest increase in the federal police force (they are all armed) ever. This is factually incorrect in so many ways. Please vet your sources better.
- tomohawk 4y ago
  Articles are all over the place. It's not like its a state secret. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2022/08/11/irs-to-add-87000-new-agents-more-crypto-tax-enforcement/?sh=642bfa043213 https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2022/08/11/irs-to-ad...
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    That's a crypto scare piece using misinformation to drive his own business. The "87,000 agents” number is a partisan piece of talking point misinformation. The numer comes from this report: https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Families-Plan-Tax-Compliance-Agenda.pdf https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Fami... The number describes the total number of new employees that would be added over the next 10 years and most of that increase would happen over the second half of that period. So no, there are not 87,000 new agents and neither the new IT personel nor the the new customer service personel will be carrying guns. Yes this is a significant increase in IRS funding, but it happens on the heels of a decade of significant cuts to the IRS. It is impossible to have a proper discussion on this topic when it is dominated by people spreading misinformation.
washbrain 4y ago
Whew boy, no. Revenue Agents and Revenue Officers do not carry firearms. Revenue Agents perform audits and are not police. Take the tin foil hat off and quit spreading this FUD.
- tomohawk 4y ago
  No tin in my hat. https://news.yahoo.com/irs-requires-special-agents-carry-130044080.html https://news.yahoo.com/irs-requires-special-agents-carry-130...
  - washbrain 4y ago
    There exist armed officers in the IRS. They are called "special agents" in the "criminal investigation division". They are federal law enforcement, like the FBI, who seize assets in criminal tax fraud cases. They are not the majority of hires, and they are not the ones doing audits, and I'm guessing they will be a tiny, tiny fraction of any IRS expansion. My office building when I worked for Boeing had an armed security guard, that does not mean that if Boeing expands by 10k jobs that suddenly there will be 10k more guns in the factory. So yes, your original post is clearly out of phase with reality.

enterthematrix 4y ago

Fundamentally if you just pay your taxes, you shouldn't be audited (ideally.) That being said... an increase in auditors is net good because then the IRS can actually audit some of the massive number of tax crimes that occur. This is good.

oaththrowaway 4y ago
Less good for your pets
tomohawk 4y ago
The tax code is incredibly complex, which means unless your tax filing is trivial, you likely have misfiled. The Secretary of the Treasury (not current one) was found to have misfiled his return. When asked, all he could say was he put the numbers into Turbo Tax, and this is what it spit out. I have a family member who gets audited by the IRS every year. They've never found anything, but the harrassment continues year after year. Once the IRS has these additional people, they will have to use them, and they will have to justify them.
sokoloff 4y ago
I was the unfortunate subject of a TCMP/NRP audit. Even with no tax issues identified in the audit, this took over $2K in my representation costs, ran over a year in calendar time, and seemed to exhibit no concern for the wastefulness on either party’s time and money. This was a fairly simple W-2, 1099-B, 401(k) couple of regular workers with a couple kids return. Based on my experience, I’m not in favor of this expansion.
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  The TCMP audits are not about finding money--by that standard they are incredibly wasteful. Rather, they are about investigating how honest people are being and in what ways they are being dishonest. I believe the answer to TCMP audits is to have the IRS pay you an appreciable amount if no substantial issues come to light as they are an unreasonable burden to those who get selected.

shkkmo 4y ago

> And we're now going to get 87,000 more auditors. This is the largest increase in the federal police force (they are all armed) ever. This is factually incorrect in so many ways. Please vet your sources better.

tomohawk 4y ago
Articles are all over the place. It's not like its a state secret. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2022/08/11/irs-to-add-87000-new-agents-more-crypto-tax-enforcement/?sh=642bfa043213 https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2022/08/11/irs-to-ad...
- shkkmo 4y ago
  That's a crypto scare piece using misinformation to drive his own business. The "87,000 agents” number is a partisan piece of talking point misinformation. The numer comes from this report: https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Families-Plan-Tax-Compliance-Agenda.pdf https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Fami... The number describes the total number of new employees that would be added over the next 10 years and most of that increase would happen over the second half of that period. So no, there are not 87,000 new agents and neither the new IT personel nor the the new customer service personel will be carrying guns. Yes this is a significant increase in IRS funding, but it happens on the heels of a decade of significant cuts to the IRS. It is impossible to have a proper discussion on this topic when it is dominated by people spreading misinformation.

washbrain 4y ago

Whew boy, no. Revenue Agents and Revenue Officers do not carry firearms. Revenue Agents perform audits and are not police. Take the tin foil hat off and quit spreading this FUD.

tomohawk 4y ago
No tin in my hat. https://news.yahoo.com/irs-requires-special-agents-carry-130044080.html https://news.yahoo.com/irs-requires-special-agents-carry-130...
- washbrain 4y ago
  There exist armed officers in the IRS. They are called "special agents" in the "criminal investigation division". They are federal law enforcement, like the FBI, who seize assets in criminal tax fraud cases. They are not the majority of hires, and they are not the ones doing audits, and I'm guessing they will be a tiny, tiny fraction of any IRS expansion. My office building when I worked for Boeing had an armed security guard, that does not mean that if Boeing expands by 10k jobs that suddenly there will be 10k more guns in the factory. So yes, your original post is clearly out of phase with reality.