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Vegetarian diets are not expensive even with meat/dairy being subsidized ($38B/year in US). Vegetarians need to make sure they exercise and consume high qualit

Vegetarian diets are not expensive even with meat/dairy being subsidized ($38B/year in US). Vegetarians need to make sure they exercise and consume high quality plant proteins: vegetables, nuts, legumes, beans and whole grains and keep a normal BMI. Meat eaters have the opposite issue: too much protein and fat leading to heart disease (#1), cancer (#2), stroke (#5) and diabetes (#8). Hip fractures do not even chart.

jononomo 4y ago
Almost everyone thinks this, but I don’t. I have come to believe that a person’s risk for heart disease, cancer, stroke, and high blood pressure will all be reduced by switching to a 100% red meat diet. If anyone actually cares, they can read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz to learn about nutrition science.
- spicymaki 4y ago
  There is a good reason why everyone thinks that. The evidence is overwhelming that consuming meat increases your chances of heart disease and stroke[1]. Nina Teicholz does not have any medical or nutrition science training or credentials[2]. Even if she did she would need to amass an extreme amount of evidence over long periods of time. Red meat is considered carcinogenic.[3][4] Red meat is directly associated with high blood pressure[5] Low fiber diets e.g. 100% red meat is associated with constipation, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), diverticulitis, heart disease and some cancers (including bowel)[6]. [1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/eating-red-meat-daily-triples-heart-disease-related-chemical https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/eating-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ [4] https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021/red-meat-colorectal-cancer-genetic-signature https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021... [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658466/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658466/ [6] https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/fibre-in-food https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/fib...
jononomo 4y ago
- ziddoap 4y ago
  This is news to the medical establishment, have you published a paper? CDC, Mayo Clinic, NIH, etc. all claim that the exact cause of Type 2 diabetes is unknown, although it is known that lifestyle and genetics both play roles. While what you said might be partially related, it is most certainly not "entirely caused by eating excessive bread and sugar".
  - jononomo 4y ago
    This is not news to the medical establishment, although not everyone in the medical establishment is fully caught up on the news: https://reversingdiabetesmd.com/ https://reversingdiabetesmd.com/
    - ziddoap 4y ago
      Yeah, that definitely stacks up against the literally thousands of doctors in the establishments I mentioned, and the dozens to hundreds of peer-reviewed papers on the subject. Hard pass.
      - jononomo 4y ago
        It was hundreds of years before doctors stopped using leaches...
        ziddoap 4y ago
        The standards and methodologies which led us away from using leeches are the same standards and methodologies that have led to the overwhelming conclusion by every reputable health organization that type 2 diabetes is not caused solely because you ate too much bread. That argument works in my favor, not yours.
mixedCase 4y ago
Protein and fat causing those issues is baloney. Metabolic heart disease is caused by small LDL particle size creating plaques , and a low carb diet fixes that. I'm not going to blame carbs on that one, but cutting them out does either directly or indirectly help. Nitrites and nitrates used for cured meats are the carcinogenic you have to worry about, not meat. It is a good thing to point out, not an argument against general meat consumption. No idea about stroke factors, won't comment on that. The mere suggestion that something with the glycemic index of meat causes diabetes is laughable.

jononomo 4y ago

Almost everyone thinks this, but I don’t. I have come to believe that a person’s risk for heart disease, cancer, stroke, and high blood pressure will all be reduced by switching to a 100% red meat diet. If anyone actually cares, they can read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz to learn about nutrition science.

spicymaki 4y ago
There is a good reason why everyone thinks that. The evidence is overwhelming that consuming meat increases your chances of heart disease and stroke[1]. Nina Teicholz does not have any medical or nutrition science training or credentials[2]. Even if she did she would need to amass an extreme amount of evidence over long periods of time. Red meat is considered carcinogenic.[3][4] Red meat is directly associated with high blood pressure[5] Low fiber diets e.g. 100% red meat is associated with constipation, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), diverticulitis, heart disease and some cancers (including bowel)[6]. [1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/eating-red-meat-daily-triples-heart-disease-related-chemical https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/eating-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ [4] https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021/red-meat-colorectal-cancer-genetic-signature https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021... [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658466/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658466/ [6] https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/fibre-in-food https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/fib...

jononomo 4y ago

ziddoap 4y ago
This is news to the medical establishment, have you published a paper? CDC, Mayo Clinic, NIH, etc. all claim that the exact cause of Type 2 diabetes is unknown, although it is known that lifestyle and genetics both play roles. While what you said might be partially related, it is most certainly not "entirely caused by eating excessive bread and sugar".
- jononomo 4y ago
  This is not news to the medical establishment, although not everyone in the medical establishment is fully caught up on the news: https://reversingdiabetesmd.com/ https://reversingdiabetesmd.com/
  - ziddoap 4y ago
    Yeah, that definitely stacks up against the literally thousands of doctors in the establishments I mentioned, and the dozens to hundreds of peer-reviewed papers on the subject. Hard pass.
    - jononomo 4y ago
      It was hundreds of years before doctors stopped using leaches...
      - ziddoap 4y ago
        The standards and methodologies which led us away from using leeches are the same standards and methodologies that have led to the overwhelming conclusion by every reputable health organization that type 2 diabetes is not caused solely because you ate too much bread. That argument works in my favor, not yours.

mixedCase 4y ago

Protein and fat causing those issues is baloney. Metabolic heart disease is caused by small LDL particle size creating plaques , and a low carb diet fixes that. I'm not going to blame carbs on that one, but cutting them out does either directly or indirectly help. Nitrites and nitrates used for cured meats are the carcinogenic you have to worry about, not meat. It is a good thing to point out, not an argument against general meat consumption. No idea about stroke factors, won't comment on that. The mere suggestion that something with the glycemic index of meat causes diabetes is laughable.