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I would love to buy your product, but won't yet. I need a few things: 1) You should explicitly test with privacy-respecting Android flavors like GrapheneOS. I

I would love to buy your product, but won't yet. I need a few things: 1) You should explicitly test with privacy-respecting Android flavors like GrapheneOS. I assume it would work using the sandboxed play services hack, but I'm not sure. 2) You need another exit aside from London. U.K. has weak data protections, facilitates U.S. spying, doesn't even offer access to the real internet any more (they run a firewall and mandate various other kinds of nannying), and, generally, seems like it's sliding down the path towards some sort of oppressive surveillance state. 3) I need to be able to pay with cryptocurrency, ideally Monero.

barathr 4y ago
Thanks -- to your comments / questions: 1) we have tested with GrapheneOS and it does work. Relay works well with GrapheneOS. With some amount of configuration, the mobile plans also work, though it can be a bit tricky to set up. 2) We have many egresses (via Fastly) -- across North America, South America, Europe, and Asia -- and more planned. The London egress is used when you're on mobile data by default, but if you're on WiFi then you can egress elsewhere. 3) Not sure about that at the moment, but we've gotten the request from multiple folks.
- zer0k3wl 4y ago
  Has the app been tested to work with GrapheneOS (without requiring Google Play Services). This question applies to both the esim function and/or the relay feature.
  - max-b 4y ago
    Currently on GrapheneOS relay works without Google Play Services. eSIM support _does_ require "sandboxed Google Play": https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim Much much more discussion on this here: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/159 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/159
throwaway67743 4y ago
> You need another exit aside from London. U.K. has weak data protections, facilitates U.S. spying, doesn't even offer access to the real internet any more (they run a firewall and mandate various other kinds of nannying), and, generally, seems like it's sliding down the path towards some sort of oppressive surveillance state. What? No such thing exists, stop
- NoImmatureAdHom 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Mobile_Internet_blocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin... "UK mobile phone operators began filtering Internet content in 2004[9] when Ofcom published a "UK code of practice for the self-regulation of new forms of content on mobiles".[107] This provided a means of classifying mobile Internet content to enable consistency in filtering. All major UK operators now voluntarily filter content by default." It's Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt, but...
  - throwaway67743 4y ago
    Read it again. (Wikipedia is correct) Actually to save everyone else's time I'll explain the actual real world implications: The "big 4" (over x customers) must implement "best effort" blocking, which varies between network (it's all useless because DNS is easy and satisfied the law), however unlike the USA, the UK has 100s if not 1000s of ISPs who are not subject to said regulation and can do what they want. This is because in the UK we do not stomp on competition which means independent ISPs are allowed to exist and pay the same price as everyone else for the same access. While I'm here, there has never and never will be a "firewall" - the free market design of UK telecoms does not allow it to happen and there are no central points to filter, anyone who disagrees otherwise is a genuine moron or willfully ignorant, it doesn't matter the result is the same, since the reality trump's opinion. If you'd like to discuss these things in real detail I have contact ability so message me instead of absolute nonsense on here - there is no excuse to be ignorant we live in an informational society.
    - 4y ago

barathr 4y ago

Thanks -- to your comments / questions: 1) we have tested with GrapheneOS and it does work. Relay works well with GrapheneOS. With some amount of configuration, the mobile plans also work, though it can be a bit tricky to set up. 2) We have many egresses (via Fastly) -- across North America, South America, Europe, and Asia -- and more planned. The London egress is used when you're on mobile data by default, but if you're on WiFi then you can egress elsewhere. 3) Not sure about that at the moment, but we've gotten the request from multiple folks.

zer0k3wl 4y ago
Has the app been tested to work with GrapheneOS (without requiring Google Play Services). This question applies to both the esim function and/or the relay feature.
- max-b 4y ago
  Currently on GrapheneOS relay works without Google Play Services. eSIM support _does_ require "sandboxed Google Play": https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim Much much more discussion on this here: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/159 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/159

throwaway67743 4y ago

> You need another exit aside from London. U.K. has weak data protections, facilitates U.S. spying, doesn't even offer access to the real internet any more (they run a firewall and mandate various other kinds of nannying), and, generally, seems like it's sliding down the path towards some sort of oppressive surveillance state. What? No such thing exists, stop

NoImmatureAdHom 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Mobile_Internet_blocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin... "UK mobile phone operators began filtering Internet content in 2004[9] when Ofcom published a "UK code of practice for the self-regulation of new forms of content on mobiles".[107] This provided a means of classifying mobile Internet content to enable consistency in filtering. All major UK operators now voluntarily filter content by default." It's Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt, but...
- throwaway67743 4y ago
  Read it again. (Wikipedia is correct) Actually to save everyone else's time I'll explain the actual real world implications: The "big 4" (over x customers) must implement "best effort" blocking, which varies between network (it's all useless because DNS is easy and satisfied the law), however unlike the USA, the UK has 100s if not 1000s of ISPs who are not subject to said regulation and can do what they want. This is because in the UK we do not stomp on competition which means independent ISPs are allowed to exist and pay the same price as everyone else for the same access. While I'm here, there has never and never will be a "firewall" - the free market design of UK telecoms does not allow it to happen and there are no central points to filter, anyone who disagrees otherwise is a genuine moron or willfully ignorant, it doesn't matter the result is the same, since the reality trump's opinion. If you'd like to discuss these things in real detail I have contact ability so message me instead of absolute nonsense on here - there is no excuse to be ignorant we live in an informational society.
  - 4y ago