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This really is a bad product launch. From the bad drivers that just don't work/crash your PC to the launch of the A380 ("eSport GPU") in China first and the sli
by belval 4y ago
This really is a bad product launch. From the bad drivers that just don't work/crash your PC to the launch of the A380 ("eSport GPU") in China first and the slipping deadlines that are clearly set to make investors happy with no regard for the actual product.
I have Intel stock, I want to like the ARC GPUs, but this is getting pathetic as they seem dead set on paper launching these 5 times before actually letting people give them money for it.
- bilegeek 4y agoI'm not a fan of Intel, but honestly this was pretty well expected of them, the delays and driver issues. And yes I know it's marketing, but if what they say in their LTT[1] video is true, then GPU driver optimizations are apparently a titanically tedious clustertruck, which... honestly, considering all the weird API's and graphical schenanigans of games past, I concur. I think if they didn't release now, even with all the bugs, they were never going to. If it actually makes a profit, they'll finally have in incentive to invest enough that it even COULD catch up. [1]https://youtu.be/45n5pnEyw9o https://youtu.be/45n5pnEyw9o
- faeriechangling 4y ago>but if what they say in their LTT[1] video is true, then GPU driver optimizations are apparently a titanically tedious clustertruck That would only imply that Intel's position is even more hopeless than it seems at first blush.
- tpmx 4y agoIDK; I think they just need to abandon their core principles of only persuing something new for 18 months max. They do have the capital. FFS.
- bilegeek 4y agoNo company can change like that without being entirely gutted and remade. ...though they can have splitoff "cells", like the 5150 team or Xerox PARC. I can't tell from here, but given Intel's waffling in the past, maybe this team is a cell.
- tpmx 4y agomaybe this team is a cell let's hope so!
- Sakos 4y agoNVidia and AMD drivers are 20+ years of piling hacks upon hacks just to make sure games run properly and a paper over obscure bugs. It's gonna take time for Intel to catch up.
- ahartmetz 4y agoThe funny thing about that optimization clusterfuck is that AMD's FOSS drivers get very close to the proprietary drivers in performance without any hacks. Instead of millions of lines of code, the user space drivers (where optimizations happen) are more like 100k per major GPU generation (which can span like 10 years) + a few 100k shared between all Mesa drivers.
- rasz 4y ago>close to the proprietary drivers in performance name some examples, few games that get better fps and frame latency under linux+foss driver vs windows+blob
- burmanm 4y agoAMD's FOSS drivers for Windows gaming? Where? As the article said, the real problem is in the gaming optimizations on older APIs. You need to optimize the driver for each game basically, thus every supported game adds more and more lines in that silly world. This is for all the old DirectX9-11 games.
- ahartmetz 4y agoThat was about OpenGL for Linux. There are a few OpenGL using games that run on Linux and Windows, so direct comparisons are possible.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoIt's in line with what I was expected. There was no way in hell Intel could leapfrog Ngridia and AMD Radeon on its first try. People expecting otherwise were dreaming. It was just not gonna happen. Even those two GPU giants had shipped massive flops throughout their lives (Ngridia with the FX 5000 series and AMD more often and more recently, ironically also unde Raja Kaduri) but they also had decades of experience to refine their development and testing processes and buff out any issues before release, iteration after iteration. Intel is relatively new to this, of course they were gonna fumble. I hope they can suck up this failure and come back swinging with the next gen. Consumers and gamers could really use a third player. GPUs are now costing way more than entire gaming consoles.
- binbashthefash 4y agoSecond try, they also fucked up larrabee.
- jacooper 4y agoFriendly note, you can still edit the typos in your comment.
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoWhich typos? Nvidia wordplay on greed was intentional as it reflects their anti consumer attitude.
- NBJack 4y agoIt doesn't come through well, and it is phonetically confusing (perhaps doubly so for those with English as a second language). In an age of mobile touchscreen keyboards, it just looks like a bad autocorrect.
- bilegeek 4y agoIt would have worked better if it was something more blatant, like "Ngreedia".