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Networking and having a reputation among peers for doing good work is one thing. Ethnic nepotism is a different thing. It's a massive failure on the part of man

Networking and having a reputation among peers for doing good work is one thing. Ethnic nepotism is a different thing. It's a massive failure on the part of many of these companies that this is allowed to happen.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Nepotism is a failure, and working against it is definitely a worthwhile effort. But I have also seen non Indian nephews/nieces get hired into internships because their relative knows someone in the decision making process, etc. We very openly have universities in the US that favor admitting children and relatives of alumni. Hell, we just had a US President that installed his own kids and son in law in various government capacities, and then pardoned his son in law’s dad. I guess my comment is to question whether Indians are doing something that different to what non Indians are doing. It seems like a very gray area. Of course, Indians could be doing it to a shade of gray closer to nepotism than others.
- jquery 4y ago
  No, what Indians are doing is not unique to them. Americans discriminate against black people, notoriously so. I’m sure the Indians who support these caste systems would merely say it’s meritocracy in action, same as all the whites/asians opposing any governmental rule that tries to level the playing field for black people in America. (This comment will of course be downvoted heavily and/or flagged)
  - anonymoushn 4y ago
    No downvotes, but I haven't yet figured out why racial quotas for Jews were bad and racial quotas for Asians are good.
    - akdor1154 4y ago
      Because one is 'at least' and one is 'at most'?
      - anonymoushn 4y ago
        They're both 'at most.'
    - jquery 4y ago
      Asians don’t have a representation issue in education. When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups. If you don’t think representation matters then all of this will seem very silly to you.
      - _9xrb 4y ago
        Where do you draw the line? White Gentiles are the majority population of this country, yet dramatically underrepresented in the Ivy League. White Jewish students of comparable ability are roughly 1,000% more likely to be enrolled at Harvard and the rest of the Ivies. Does their representation matter to you? How about South Asian students versus Chinese, or (perhaps most concerningly) wealthy Nigerian immigrants versus poorer African-American descendants of slavery? The former often benefit from affirmative action aimed at the latter.
        jquery 4y ago
        I’m repeating myself but I’ll post it again. Asians don’t have a representation issue in education. If you think representation doesn't matter, that we live in a pure meritocracy, that only grades and tests scores matter, then attempts to fix injustice will seem silly to you. The smallest minority is the individual, so if you insist on breaking down racial-subcategories enough, you will always find "winners" and "losers" in attempts to redress injustice.
      - anonymoushn 4y ago
        Filipinos are hugely underrepresented in elite US schools, and we are using racial quotas to make the problem worse. > When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups. So like, it wasn't okay to discriminate against Jews because there weren't that many of them in absolute terms, but it's ok to discriminate against Filipinos? There are about twice as many Jews as Filipinos in the US, by the way.
        4y ago
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    - benwad 4y ago
      ...and when you don't 'control' for an irrelevant number, it's the other way around.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Nepotism is a failure, and working against it is definitely a worthwhile effort. But I have also seen non Indian nephews/nieces get hired into internships because their relative knows someone in the decision making process, etc. We very openly have universities in the US that favor admitting children and relatives of alumni. Hell, we just had a US President that installed his own kids and son in law in various government capacities, and then pardoned his son in law’s dad. I guess my comment is to question whether Indians are doing something that different to what non Indians are doing. It seems like a very gray area. Of course, Indians could be doing it to a shade of gray closer to nepotism than others.

jquery 4y ago
No, what Indians are doing is not unique to them. Americans discriminate against black people, notoriously so. I’m sure the Indians who support these caste systems would merely say it’s meritocracy in action, same as all the whites/asians opposing any governmental rule that tries to level the playing field for black people in America. (This comment will of course be downvoted heavily and/or flagged)
- anonymoushn 4y ago
  No downvotes, but I haven't yet figured out why racial quotas for Jews were bad and racial quotas for Asians are good.
  - akdor1154 4y ago
    Because one is 'at least' and one is 'at most'?
    - anonymoushn 4y ago
      They're both 'at most.'
  - jquery 4y ago
    Asians don’t have a representation issue in education. When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups. If you don’t think representation matters then all of this will seem very silly to you.
    - _9xrb 4y ago
      Where do you draw the line? White Gentiles are the majority population of this country, yet dramatically underrepresented in the Ivy League. White Jewish students of comparable ability are roughly 1,000% more likely to be enrolled at Harvard and the rest of the Ivies. Does their representation matter to you? How about South Asian students versus Chinese, or (perhaps most concerningly) wealthy Nigerian immigrants versus poorer African-American descendants of slavery? The former often benefit from affirmative action aimed at the latter.
      - jquery 4y ago
        I’m repeating myself but I’ll post it again. Asians don’t have a representation issue in education. If you think representation doesn't matter, that we live in a pure meritocracy, that only grades and tests scores matter, then attempts to fix injustice will seem silly to you. The smallest minority is the individual, so if you insist on breaking down racial-subcategories enough, you will always find "winners" and "losers" in attempts to redress injustice.
    - anonymoushn 4y ago
      Filipinos are hugely underrepresented in elite US schools, and we are using racial quotas to make the problem worse. > When Jews were being discriminated against they were nowhere near a majority of the student population or squeezing out the representation of other groups. So like, it wasn't okay to discriminate against Jews because there weren't that many of them in absolute terms, but it's ok to discriminate against Filipinos? There are about twice as many Jews as Filipinos in the US, by the way.
      - 4y ago
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  - benwad 4y ago
    ...and when you don't 'control' for an irrelevant number, it's the other way around.