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I wonder if we get new small manufacturers shops that build dumb vehicles.

by prox 4y ago

gassiss 4y ago
I'm hoping for this as well. It's probably going to be way more expensive than normal though, considering how efficient car manufacturing is and how hard it is for new players to get into (and the loss of revenue for not having "smart" features)
rtsil 4y ago
I'm not aware of any dumb TV manufacturer after over a decade of smart TVs. I'm afraid the demand for dumb devices is simply not sustainable. People get accustomed to the new normal very quickly.
- ReptileMan 4y ago
  Any TV is dumb if you cut off its internet access in the firewall. A car with a sim card requires a bit more.
  - carlivar 4y ago
    No, some still require a menu/GUI for something as simple as cycling inputs. LG, for example.
    - sidewndr46 4y ago
      My sister and her husband bought a "smart" sound bar. Theoretically it only needs an audio hookup. It does some type of HDMI passthrough, I think it is called "ARC". It has a WiFi connection but they never hooked it up. After about 3 hours of use, it would have to be powercycled or the audio would constantly cut in and out. My dad looked at it & he decided to connect it to WiFi to check for a manufacturer firmware update. There was no update. However, this fixed the issue entirely. The problem never happened again. A literal wired speaker, requires a WiFi connection to work properly.
- saxonww 4y ago
  This comes up over and over again. There is a brand that sells through Wal Mart in the US (Sceptre) which tends to not have smart features. They are not high end sets. You can also get 'commercial' sets intended for signage that are apparently OK too. Jeff Geerling did a video on an interesting one from Sharp/NEC that takes a smart module, which can be a raspberry pi, here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-epPf7D8oMk https://youtube.com/watch?v=-epPf7D8oMk. There are some caveats, but it's something to keep an eye on IMO. It seems to be true that there are no high end/aspirational sets that don't have smart features. I haven't personally seen any OLEDs, for example (although I am not an authority on this).
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    The commercial TVs without smarts are getting hard to find. We don’t allow unmanaged OSs in some secure areas and finding them is harder and dramatically more expensive than a few years ago.
yourapostasy 4y ago
In the US you can do that already, but I wonder if it will be cheaper for decades to come to purchase a used commercial vehicle (typically a pickup truck or van) and overhaul it as long as the frame is good. The amount of information mechanics can find online these days about some pretty esoteric rebuilding procedures boggles my mind. What I see folks refurbishing in Eastern Europe, Africa, South America, Pakistan and elsewhere to keep on the roads is astonishing (albeit only possible in current markets as we implement them with high-skill, low-cost labor). There are a hell of a lot of light-to-heavy duty diesel pickups in the US and the aftermarket offerings are enormously deep and broad, for example. I imagine that will take awhile to fade away, and if metrology gets advanced and cheap enough, and integrates well enough with machinists on the floor, I can see a possible future where these parts live on in electronic form to the point where reproducing them from scratch gets into the realm of economically feasible.
sidewndr46 4y ago
This is very unlikely, as the regulations are set up to protect the incumbents. Just to sell a new vehicle in the US you have to crash test several copies of the vehicle.
throwaway1777 4y ago
Very unlikely. All the startups are EV manufacturers with even more technology.

I wonder if we get new small manufacturers shops that build dumb vehicles.

by prox 4y ago

I wonder if we get new small manufacturers shops that build dumb vehicles.

I'm hoping for this as well. It's probably going to be way more expensive than normal though, considering how efficient car manufacturing is and how hard it is for new players to get into (and the loss of revenue for not having "smart" features)

rtsil 4y ago

I'm not aware of any dumb TV manufacturer after over a decade of smart TVs. I'm afraid the demand for dumb devices is simply not sustainable. People get accustomed to the new normal very quickly.

ReptileMan 4y ago
Any TV is dumb if you cut off its internet access in the firewall. A car with a sim card requires a bit more.
- carlivar 4y ago
  No, some still require a menu/GUI for something as simple as cycling inputs. LG, for example.
  - sidewndr46 4y ago
    My sister and her husband bought a "smart" sound bar. Theoretically it only needs an audio hookup. It does some type of HDMI passthrough, I think it is called "ARC". It has a WiFi connection but they never hooked it up. After about 3 hours of use, it would have to be powercycled or the audio would constantly cut in and out. My dad looked at it & he decided to connect it to WiFi to check for a manufacturer firmware update. There was no update. However, this fixed the issue entirely. The problem never happened again. A literal wired speaker, requires a WiFi connection to work properly.
saxonww 4y ago
This comes up over and over again. There is a brand that sells through Wal Mart in the US (Sceptre) which tends to not have smart features. They are not high end sets. You can also get 'commercial' sets intended for signage that are apparently OK too. Jeff Geerling did a video on an interesting one from Sharp/NEC that takes a smart module, which can be a raspberry pi, here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-epPf7D8oMk https://youtube.com/watch?v=-epPf7D8oMk. There are some caveats, but it's something to keep an eye on IMO. It seems to be true that there are no high end/aspirational sets that don't have smart features. I haven't personally seen any OLEDs, for example (although I am not an authority on this).
- Spooky23 4y ago
  The commercial TVs without smarts are getting hard to find. We don’t allow unmanaged OSs in some secure areas and finding them is harder and dramatically more expensive than a few years ago.

yourapostasy 4y ago

In the US you can do that already, but I wonder if it will be cheaper for decades to come to purchase a used commercial vehicle (typically a pickup truck or van) and overhaul it as long as the frame is good. The amount of information mechanics can find online these days about some pretty esoteric rebuilding procedures boggles my mind. What I see folks refurbishing in Eastern Europe, Africa, South America, Pakistan and elsewhere to keep on the roads is astonishing (albeit only possible in current markets as we implement them with high-skill, low-cost labor). There are a hell of a lot of light-to-heavy duty diesel pickups in the US and the aftermarket offerings are enormously deep and broad, for example. I imagine that will take awhile to fade away, and if metrology gets advanced and cheap enough, and integrates well enough with machinists on the floor, I can see a possible future where these parts live on in electronic form to the point where reproducing them from scratch gets into the realm of economically feasible.

sidewndr46 4y ago

This is very unlikely, as the regulations are set up to protect the incumbents. Just to sell a new vehicle in the US you have to crash test several copies of the vehicle.

throwaway1777 4y ago

Very unlikely. All the startups are EV manufacturers with even more technology.