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I always find it funny how there are massive east asian only groups in all major corporate entities. This is not diversity, this is racism. Nice work FANG.

strikelaserclaw 4y ago
and they get there through working their ass off but that is totally off topic as far as what op was asking.
- xbar 4y ago
  Do they? Or do they arrive due to denial of opportunity for equally or greater hard working folks?
- deepdriver 4y ago
  Or in the case of [big tech company] interns, getting matched to a team purely for being Chinese. For a while there was a big Mandarin-only mailing list that coordinated this type of ingroup selection within [big tech company]. HR found out and shut it down. It was unclear whether those running the list realized what they were doing was highly illegal. If they had just waited a few years it would still be illegal, but also the open practice of nearly every big hiring department. "We especially encourage AAPI, BIPOC, neurodiverse, nonbinary and LGBTIA+ candidates to apply." That's quoted nearly word-for-word from job listings I'm reviewing. Wonder what that means for my application, as someone who falls outside those boxes and didn't go to an Ivy. Really gets me thinking about politics.
  - tomp 4y ago
    Why don’t you fit in any of those groups? You could easily declare yourself “mildly autistic” and “agender” and become neurodiverse and queer.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  Which is what every entrenched group of racists claims is the reason for their control over an entity. The 'other' is lazy and we're hard workers. Nope, no bigotry involved, just our innate superiority over other groups.
  - trashtester 4y ago
    Similar claims that are used a lot, except for by cis-straigh-white-men (for now), is that their favoritism is a form of "Robin Hood" behavior (Literally referencing Robin Hood). Basically, they feel that their particular identity group has been discriminated against in the past, and justify their otherwise unethical behavior as "restoring justice" by "stealing from the rich/those that have much" to "us that have less". A similar statement I've seen is "It's our turn now!" You will find this everywhere from pickpockets in Thailand, credit card scammers in India all the way to top universities.
armchairhacker 4y ago
In my university I find that a lot of the Indian and Asian students like to group together and form their own groups. But they also have a big language barrier: they don’t speak English well and in their groups they always communicate natively. They also have a culture barrier as well, combined with the language barrier this makes them seem awkward. So I don’t blame them.
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- woweoe 4y ago
  - dang 4y ago
    Nationalistic/racial/whatever flamewar will get you banned here. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
trashtester 4y ago
Maybe, but it could also be the reverse. I few years ago, I was hiring for some Data Engineering positions in a European country, and highly disproportional part of the most qualified applicants were Chinese, but with below average language skills. (Chinese people are a VERY small minority in the general population in my country.) I would expect many companies to not consider many of them, due to the communication limitations. That would mean that those who ignored those issues could get a LOT of them, and possibly at a lower-than-average salary, for their technical ability.
hackerlight 4y ago
Define "East Asian only group". Do you mean a division that's only East Asian? Or a social group within the company that is exclusively for East Asians? And how would that come about organically? East Asians aren't really homogeneous, there is a lot of ethnic strife between the different East Asian groups (HK vs Mainland, Mainland vs South Korea vs Japan). So I can't really see how they'd naturally be a closed off clique.
- betaby 4y ago
  Do you see Ukrainians vs Russians in an 'ethnic strife'? Serbs vs Croats vs Czechs vs Poles? Are Eastern Europeans homogeneous?
dang 4y ago
We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Flamewar and ideological battle are what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. Please don't create accounts to do those things with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32425607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32425607.
- AuthorizedHelp 4y ago
  What? This is a very real subject. Have you worked at a FANG company and been to any lunch room?
  - dang 4y ago
    Note that word 'repeatedly'. I banned you not because of one comment but because of your account history, which was clearly breaking the site guidelines. This has zero to do with demographics at companies or any of the other topics you've been breaking HN's rules about.
    - AuthorizedHelp 4y ago
      I literally just reviewed my history. I am not peddling a narrative or attacking anyone or breaking site rules. This is a very real tech world problem. Your attacks on silencing people who are critical of your racial group are landing you in the realm of direct corporate abuse and I am filing a complaint within the company. People like you don't deserve to be a professional.
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strikelaserclaw 4y ago

and they get there through working their ass off but that is totally off topic as far as what op was asking.

xbar 4y ago
Do they? Or do they arrive due to denial of opportunity for equally or greater hard working folks?
deepdriver 4y ago
Or in the case of [big tech company] interns, getting matched to a team purely for being Chinese. For a while there was a big Mandarin-only mailing list that coordinated this type of ingroup selection within [big tech company]. HR found out and shut it down. It was unclear whether those running the list realized what they were doing was highly illegal. If they had just waited a few years it would still be illegal, but also the open practice of nearly every big hiring department. "We especially encourage AAPI, BIPOC, neurodiverse, nonbinary and LGBTIA+ candidates to apply." That's quoted nearly word-for-word from job listings I'm reviewing. Wonder what that means for my application, as someone who falls outside those boxes and didn't go to an Ivy. Really gets me thinking about politics.
- tomp 4y ago
  Why don’t you fit in any of those groups? You could easily declare yourself “mildly autistic” and “agender” and become neurodiverse and queer.
Mountain_Skies 4y ago
Which is what every entrenched group of racists claims is the reason for their control over an entity. The 'other' is lazy and we're hard workers. Nope, no bigotry involved, just our innate superiority over other groups.
- trashtester 4y ago
  Similar claims that are used a lot, except for by cis-straigh-white-men (for now), is that their favoritism is a form of "Robin Hood" behavior (Literally referencing Robin Hood). Basically, they feel that their particular identity group has been discriminated against in the past, and justify their otherwise unethical behavior as "restoring justice" by "stealing from the rich/those that have much" to "us that have less". A similar statement I've seen is "It's our turn now!" You will find this everywhere from pickpockets in Thailand, credit card scammers in India all the way to top universities.

armchairhacker 4y ago

In my university I find that a lot of the Indian and Asian students like to group together and form their own groups. But they also have a big language barrier: they don’t speak English well and in their groups they always communicate natively. They also have a culture barrier as well, combined with the language barrier this makes them seem awkward. So I don’t blame them.

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woweoe 4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  Nationalistic/racial/whatever flamewar will get you banned here. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

trashtester 4y ago

Maybe, but it could also be the reverse. I few years ago, I was hiring for some Data Engineering positions in a European country, and highly disproportional part of the most qualified applicants were Chinese, but with below average language skills. (Chinese people are a VERY small minority in the general population in my country.) I would expect many companies to not consider many of them, due to the communication limitations. That would mean that those who ignored those issues could get a LOT of them, and possibly at a lower-than-average salary, for their technical ability.

hackerlight 4y ago

Define "East Asian only group". Do you mean a division that's only East Asian? Or a social group within the company that is exclusively for East Asians? And how would that come about organically? East Asians aren't really homogeneous, there is a lot of ethnic strife between the different East Asian groups (HK vs Mainland, Mainland vs South Korea vs Japan). So I can't really see how they'd naturally be a closed off clique.

betaby 4y ago
Do you see Ukrainians vs Russians in an 'ethnic strife'? Serbs vs Croats vs Czechs vs Poles? Are Eastern Europeans homogeneous?

dang 4y ago

We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. Flamewar and ideological battle are what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. Please don't create accounts to do those things with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32425607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32425607.

AuthorizedHelp 4y ago
What? This is a very real subject. Have you worked at a FANG company and been to any lunch room?
- dang 4y ago
  Note that word 'repeatedly'. I banned you not because of one comment but because of your account history, which was clearly breaking the site guidelines. This has zero to do with demographics at companies or any of the other topics you've been breaking HN's rules about.
  - AuthorizedHelp 4y ago
    I literally just reviewed my history. I am not peddling a narrative or attacking anyone or breaking site rules. This is a very real tech world problem. Your attacks on silencing people who are critical of your racial group are landing you in the realm of direct corporate abuse and I am filing a complaint within the company. People like you don't deserve to be a professional.

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