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You’ll be happy to know that pickups are actually more dangerous for their driver. Mostly because they’re more likely to spin out or roll over.

by lom 4y ago

q-big 4y ago
> You’ll be happy to know that pickups are actually more dangerous for their driver. Mostly because they’re more likely to spin out or roll over. Just a consideration: Would integrating 5-point harnesses and an rollover cage into these trucks help to mitigate this problem? (I am of course aware that the latter would make to truck even heavier)
- bombcar 4y ago
  A HAND (head and neck device) could help, as could a roll cage (most vehicles have some roll protection built in - you can see cars and trucks stacked on top of each other at junkyards). Five point harness is a bit better than a normal belt, but we already have a significant number of vehicle fatalities where the occupants are not wearing the belts provided already. So it could make it worse as five-point is more annoying. Arguably the strengthening of the roll-cage in vehicles has lead to the a-pillar problem. https://www.thewisedrive.com/the-a-pillar-problem/ https://www.thewisedrive.com/the-a-pillar-problem/ - my small modern car has a much wider a-pillar than my massive boat from the 60s.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    The side-curtain airbag in the A-pillar is also a factor [perhaps a bigger factor than rollover strength] of the expansion of the A-pillar's view blocking in particular for pedestrians during turns.
- SkyPuncher 4y ago
  > an rollover cage into these trucks help to mitigate this problem? I'm fairly sure that safety standards essentially require the roof to not crumple in rollover conditions. Roll cages are necessary in racing where speeds (and forces) are much higher than road speeds.
  - bagels 4y ago
    And the driver is restrained better while wearing a helmet. A cage with a three point belt and no helmet is more dangerous than not having a cage.
  - reggedtorespond 4y ago
    Heavy duty trucks are exempt from many federal safety standards in the US.
- Arrath 4y ago
  Having relatively recently been in a rollover accident in a truck I found the rollover protection to be quite sufficient. The A/B pillars didn't appreciably deform and the roof didn't cave in at all.
  - bena 4y ago
    Yes, because you survived. If you hadn't survived, you wouldn't be able to tell us this. Consider you may have just been lucky. Or would you care to repeat the experience a few more times so we can get data?
    - Arrath 4y ago
      Naw, but by all means you're welcome to give it a go.
- biftek 4y ago
  That would make them considerably more dangerous for the driver. A roll bar will crack your skull if your head hits it and a 5 point harness will snap your neck. Race cars have them because drivers are also wearing HANS devices and helmets to prevent those injuries. They are two very different approaches to safety that aren't really compatible.
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rascul 4y ago
I've seen this line before, are there numbers to back it up?
- buescher 4y ago
  Not too hard to look them up. It used to be so, before stability control systems. Not anymore.
Aperocky 4y ago
For risky drivers, speed limit pickup truck driver should fare just fine.
ActorNightly 4y ago
Really not an issue with modern stability control. There is still a higher chance of rollover from pure impact, but again, the bigger the truck is, the more likely you will be fine. Modern F150s come with Advacetrack sport mode for TC/Stability that essentially lets you hold a slight drift angle if you want without letting the rear get out of hand - it monitors yaw, tire speeds, throttle e.tc.

You’ll be happy to know that pickups are actually more dangerous for their driver. Mostly because they’re more likely to spin out or roll over.

by lom 4y ago

You’ll be happy to know that pickups are actually more dangerous for their driver. Mostly because they’re more likely to spin out or roll over.

q-big 4y ago

> You’ll be happy to know that pickups are actually more dangerous for their driver. Mostly because they’re more likely to spin out or roll over. Just a consideration: Would integrating 5-point harnesses and an rollover cage into these trucks help to mitigate this problem? (I am of course aware that the latter would make to truck even heavier)

bombcar 4y ago
A HAND (head and neck device) could help, as could a roll cage (most vehicles have some roll protection built in - you can see cars and trucks stacked on top of each other at junkyards). Five point harness is a bit better than a normal belt, but we already have a significant number of vehicle fatalities where the occupants are not wearing the belts provided already. So it could make it worse as five-point is more annoying. Arguably the strengthening of the roll-cage in vehicles has lead to the a-pillar problem. https://www.thewisedrive.com/the-a-pillar-problem/ https://www.thewisedrive.com/the-a-pillar-problem/ - my small modern car has a much wider a-pillar than my massive boat from the 60s.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  The side-curtain airbag in the A-pillar is also a factor [perhaps a bigger factor than rollover strength] of the expansion of the A-pillar's view blocking in particular for pedestrians during turns.
SkyPuncher 4y ago
> an rollover cage into these trucks help to mitigate this problem? I'm fairly sure that safety standards essentially require the roof to not crumple in rollover conditions. Roll cages are necessary in racing where speeds (and forces) are much higher than road speeds.
- bagels 4y ago
  And the driver is restrained better while wearing a helmet. A cage with a three point belt and no helmet is more dangerous than not having a cage.
- reggedtorespond 4y ago
  Heavy duty trucks are exempt from many federal safety standards in the US.
Arrath 4y ago
Having relatively recently been in a rollover accident in a truck I found the rollover protection to be quite sufficient. The A/B pillars didn't appreciably deform and the roof didn't cave in at all.
- bena 4y ago
  Yes, because you survived. If you hadn't survived, you wouldn't be able to tell us this. Consider you may have just been lucky. Or would you care to repeat the experience a few more times so we can get data?
  - Arrath 4y ago
    Naw, but by all means you're welcome to give it a go.
biftek 4y ago
That would make them considerably more dangerous for the driver. A roll bar will crack your skull if your head hits it and a 5 point harness will snap your neck. Race cars have them because drivers are also wearing HANS devices and helmets to prevent those injuries. They are two very different approaches to safety that aren't really compatible.
- deleted 4y ago
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rascul 4y ago

I've seen this line before, are there numbers to back it up?

buescher 4y ago
Not too hard to look them up. It used to be so, before stability control systems. Not anymore.

Aperocky 4y ago

For risky drivers, speed limit pickup truck driver should fare just fine.

ActorNightly 4y ago

Really not an issue with modern stability control. There is still a higher chance of rollover from pure impact, but again, the bigger the truck is, the more likely you will be fine. Modern F150s come with Advacetrack sport mode for TC/Stability that essentially lets you hold a slight drift angle if you want without letting the rear get out of hand - it monitors yaw, tire speeds, throttle e.tc.