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> What does it mean to you, deep down Absolutely. Hard to find out sometimes. As a bit of an amateur psychologist, I'd say the "deep down" part presents the ch

> What does it mean to you, deep down Absolutely. Hard to find out sometimes. As a bit of an amateur psychologist, I'd say the "deep down" part presents the challenge. We're mostly too busy cutting code to do the "inner work". And as you say, the "Why?" doesn't always come first. Sometimes we are involved in projects and business as a way to work things through and discover something. What starts out as "I don't want to be poor like my parents" ends up as "I could do something about preventable disease X and save many lives". That's why I think that the ethics behind the hacking is more important than we realise and there's no such thing as "technological determinism".

tailspin2019 4y ago
Interesting! As fundamentally goal-orientated creatures, I tend to think that there is always a why. The question is just whether you are clear yourself on what that why actually is. So on that basis, maybe the why does always come first? You may just not be intellectually aware of what that why is? BTW I guess I'm taking quite a broad definition of "why". The "why" could be, because you learned early on that behaviour X makes you feel safe, due to some childhood trauma - but this is a deeply embedded instinct rather than a conscious process of decision making. And things like that can be very difficult to pin down. I suppose you could discuss this point at a number of different levels... Definitely agree that the "why" can change over time. I've 100% seen this happen with my own motivations!
- Phileosopher 4y ago
  The "why" most certainly comes first, but we have a funny tendency to move the "why" around. Someone may choose to become a welder because he wants to get paid, then to move out of his parents' house, then to get married. There's a type of "API-ization" of all existence. 15 people can do the exact same thing with nearly opposite objectives and all be a "team" (such as what we see large-scale in politics) or have the exact same "why" with 15 ways to do it and be "disunified" (i.e., the Linux community). The secret to staying motivated, which nonrandomstring pointed to, is finding a way to bundle all those fluctuating "why's" together toward 1 purpose. It makes you manic and obsessive, but determined and implacable on a death march to a glorious prize. My discouragement was likely because I needed sleep and wasn't de-stressing correctly, then applying it wrongly to what I love doing.
Phileosopher 4y ago
I may be leaning into my rationalist philosophy here, but I like to believe that everything is driven by values first: intangible, hard/impossible-to-measure aspects of existence that create the spark that eventually provokes the body to do things. What you're saying about finding an emotional outlet is absolutely true. I spend so much time building, and probably need to spend more time advertising it! Things like HN are great places to express my passion (i.e., state assertions of fact in as few words as possible), and there are likely more niches once I slowly build out my dev ambitions later.

tailspin2019 4y ago

Interesting! As fundamentally goal-orientated creatures, I tend to think that there is always a why. The question is just whether you are clear yourself on what that why actually is. So on that basis, maybe the why does always come first? You may just not be intellectually aware of what that why is? BTW I guess I'm taking quite a broad definition of "why". The "why" could be, because you learned early on that behaviour X makes you feel safe, due to some childhood trauma - but this is a deeply embedded instinct rather than a conscious process of decision making. And things like that can be very difficult to pin down. I suppose you could discuss this point at a number of different levels... Definitely agree that the "why" can change over time. I've 100% seen this happen with my own motivations!

Phileosopher 4y ago
The "why" most certainly comes first, but we have a funny tendency to move the "why" around. Someone may choose to become a welder because he wants to get paid, then to move out of his parents' house, then to get married. There's a type of "API-ization" of all existence. 15 people can do the exact same thing with nearly opposite objectives and all be a "team" (such as what we see large-scale in politics) or have the exact same "why" with 15 ways to do it and be "disunified" (i.e., the Linux community). The secret to staying motivated, which nonrandomstring pointed to, is finding a way to bundle all those fluctuating "why's" together toward 1 purpose. It makes you manic and obsessive, but determined and implacable on a death march to a glorious prize. My discouragement was likely because I needed sleep and wasn't de-stressing correctly, then applying it wrongly to what I love doing.

Phileosopher 4y ago

I may be leaning into my rationalist philosophy here, but I like to believe that everything is driven by values first: intangible, hard/impossible-to-measure aspects of existence that create the spark that eventually provokes the body to do things. What you're saying about finding an emotional outlet is absolutely true. I spend so much time building, and probably need to spend more time advertising it! Things like HN are great places to express my passion (i.e., state assertions of fact in as few words as possible), and there are likely more niches once I slowly build out my dev ambitions later.