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Blast from the past. My first experiences of the web were in the mid-late 1990s, and I remember this being so cool at the time. Reading it today makes me sad in
by PaulRobinson 4y ago
Blast from the past. My first experiences of the web were in the mid-late 1990s, and I remember this being so cool at the time. Reading it today makes me sad in so many ways.
> Whether delivering information, opinions, perspectives, dissenting arguments or humorous asides, the human voice is typically open, natural, uncontrived.
Instagram does not strike me as "open, natural, uncontrived". Nor does any other social media. Does that mean our de facto modes of interpersonal communication online are no longer authentically human? Probably. How the hell did we get here from there?
> Hyperlinks subvert hierarchy.
Hyperlinks have been used to create hierarchy. It's the point of PageRank. SEO and backlinks are the currency of half the digital economy now. There are hundreds of thousands of people on Earth employed to worry about _nothing else_ for 40+ hours a week.
> Today, the org chart is hyperlinked, not hierarchical. Respect for hands-on knowledge wins over respect for abstract authority.
Does anybody believe this is completely true in any organisation anywhere on earth today?
> Smart companies will get out of the way and help the inevitable to happen sooner.
The market has rewarded companies getting in the way of everything. Personally owned and hosted blogs were replaced by social media companies, digital marketers prioritised making Google's crawlers happy over making human beings happy, public mailing lists outside of open source projects are basically dead because now we need to have our conversations on corporate owned web properties - from LinkedIn to Quora, Stack Exchange to this very site we engage with each other via, today.
Some are better than others. I don't think any of them are better than what we once had, other than search has become the starting point of any enquiry, and they often facilitate search better than what they replaced.
> We are immune to advertising. Just forget it.
The defining technology sector of the last 20 years - when we look back it in 100 years - must be considered adtech. The market had the conversation, and most people decided they'd click "Accept" on those banners and wave it all away. The majority of online humanity is not just not immune to advertising, we're happy to be spied on to facilitate it just so long as we don't have to pay for content, thanks.
In some ways companies did adjust to this siren call, but they did it through the safe silos of social media accounts and advertising. Individual brands (celebrities you like), now may have teams of people curating "natural" conversations, while marketing departments and companies have realised that they need to have "conversations" to support their traditional models.
I truly believe it is the efforts of these people, teams and organisations that resist personal ownership of the web: the return to the personal website as the de facto presence online. They can't have a conversation with you like that. They have no way to inject themselves into the experience of you reading somebody's blog the same way they do if you're reading their Facebook or Twitter comments.
So, what now?
This has been a deeply depressing comment to right. The web was wonderful. The internet was so full of promise. This journey back to the early days which I remember with so much fondness has now reminded me: we lost. It's over. I don't know how we'll ever get it back.
- PassageNick 4y agoThis is a quality comment.
- ddingus 4y agoGreat comment! I would add loyalty programs linked to "get the APP for dealz!" to your quality comment here. Marketing wants to get their message into your mobile notifications badly. Of course, if they want it that bad, they probably should not have it. Yes, I do not use company apps. Sometimes that is ultra expensive!! Shows us just what that access to our mobile devices and digital lives is worth too. When the only way to get a good price is to use the app, I just quit doing business with that organization. I did install an app just once. So. Many. Notifications. Never again.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago> we lost. It's over. I don't know how we'll ever get it back. Nope. We're here. You and me. You wrote a thoughtful comment, and now we're having a conversation about it. We, two people who have never met (so far as I know). This right here is about what we had when we said "The web was wonderful. The internet was so full of promise." Now, true, much of the web turned into ads/corporate/shill/propaganda. And it takes dang being superhuman to keep this place from being overrun. So the larger battle may be lost. But I think The Cluetrain Manifesto still had (and has) a fairly good point. We want the human voice on the internet, even if the corporations give us corporate-speak. (We want it even more now, with Covid having reduced the amount of in-person interaction.) We want the human touch. Corporations found that they could extract more money from us by other approaches, but we humans still want human interaction. And, I think, that's part of the charm of HN. It's mostly human talk rather than talking points or corporate-speak. (That's part of why people just repeating talking points feels so jarring here - it's out of place.) So I think there are still pockets of what made the web so wonderful back in the day. It's not the majority any more, but there is still a fair amount of it around, if you look for it.
- PaulRobinson 4y agoThanks for this reply, and I mostly agree - I just wish that what we are talking about was the norm and not the weird niche exception. Perhaps I need to go and think about how to support making that happen more rather than just complaining...