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If you buy a kindle that is specifically advertised as having ads(and therefore being sold for less money), then yes, you will get ads. If you don't want them,

If you buy a kindle that is specifically advertised as having ads(and therefore being sold for less money), then yes, you will get ads. If you don't want them, buy the ad free version. And the deletion from your library happened...once? Over millions of titles available?

deelly 4y ago
Honestly, one time is enough.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Really? I guess you don't use Steam either then?
  - Maken 4y ago
    When Steam removes a game, it means they no longer sell it, but they don't remove it from your computer nor stop you from downloading it if you already adquired it.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Typically, yes - but they have also removed games from user libraries, preventing them from ever downloading the game again - exactly like Amazon has done in that one instance with an eBook. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/steam-removes-game-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/?sh=27f537692a29 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/steam-remov... My point is - OP said that "once is enough" - well by that metric, I'm asking if they also don't use steam, because Steam has done exactly this at least once in the past.
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Iolaum 4y ago
The title that got removed was 1984, you can't make this stuff up https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18am...
- gambiting 4y ago
  Yeah, which is pretty incredible from PR perspective and I can't believe Amazon let that happen in the first place.
  - ta988 4y ago
    That's what happens when you design systems with no humans in the loop.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    I don't think Amazon actually had a realistic choice there. The edition of 1984 in question was pirated. Amazon could either remove it, or face a massive fine for distributing pirated material.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Ah, right. Didn't know that!
- filmgirlcw 4y ago
  Totally agree that the optics on this were horrendous. And Amazon admitted as much 13 years ago. The only slight thing I’ll say in their defense is that since the uploaded (it was through a self-service system) didn’t have the rights to upload those books (essentially, a third-party pirated the book, uploaded it to Amazon’s servers and then sold the book they didn’t have rights to), I understand the thought process that you’d delete and refund. It’s not like this was a legitimate book they removed. It was literally pirated. Removing books from purchaser’s devices was absolutely the wrong move and has created negative PR for Amazon for 13 years because of one bad decision. But Amazon has admitted it was the wrong move and to my knowledge hasn’t done it again. In fact, there are a number of books I’ve bought from Amazon over the years that are no longer available on Kindle for a variety of reasons (sometimes publishers pull them, sometimes authors) that I can still download retroactively to any of my devices. So if I’m going to be locked into any ecosystem, and this is just me, I’d rather be locked into the ecosystem that has had its DRM cracked pretty succinctly (meaning I can use my purchases on non-Amazon devices or apps) and that has an insanely robust library of books. Oh, and that integrates with my Audible library. Compare that to iBooks, where the DRM hasn’t been broken (at least, not the current scheme. Some people have had success using insanely old versions of iTunes and DRM rippers from more than a decade ago, but that’s not a reliable or approachable method) and I can’t read any of those books on my Eink devices, or Kobo, which doesn’t have as robust of a library and has always had that weird store-brand Frosted Flakes feeling, and I’m very happy to be inside the Kindle world. Plus, my Kindle Oasis has truly been a treat. (I said I would never buy one and now have bought two, so jokes on me).
Namari 4y ago
Can't believe there is such a thing of having an Ereader with ads. Ok it's cheaper but come on, that really shows us how low they think of us. I can understand for a free product but for something you pay ... like seriously!
- senko 4y ago
  Wait until you figure out printed books (paperbacks) come with ads too ...
  - Namari 4y ago
    They already do, especially like the travel guides, there are always some ads here and there :|
    - barry-cotter 4y ago
      That was the point. You were being mocked for your naïveté.
- gambiting 4y ago
  It's a very clear trade off - you get the device for less money, but you get ads. How is this "how low they think of us"?????
  - Namari 4y ago
    I think this trade off shouldn't exist in the first place.
    - gambiting 4y ago
      Why? Do you think companies giving you 10% in exchange for signing up for their newsletter shouldn't be able to do so too? It's the same thing - you get a discount for signing up to their ads campaign.
haxnewsben 4y ago
Also, if you buy the one with ads (because it's cheaper), you can literally just go on amazon customer support chat and ask them nicely to turn them off. It's worked for the few kindles I've owned
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deelly 4y ago

Honestly, one time is enough.

gambiting 4y ago
Really? I guess you don't use Steam either then?
- Maken 4y ago
  When Steam removes a game, it means they no longer sell it, but they don't remove it from your computer nor stop you from downloading it if you already adquired it.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Typically, yes - but they have also removed games from user libraries, preventing them from ever downloading the game again - exactly like Amazon has done in that one instance with an eBook. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/steam-removes-game-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/?sh=27f537692a29 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/steam-remov... My point is - OP said that "once is enough" - well by that metric, I'm asking if they also don't use steam, because Steam has done exactly this at least once in the past.
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Iolaum 4y ago

The title that got removed was 1984, you can't make this stuff up https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18am...

gambiting 4y ago
Yeah, which is pretty incredible from PR perspective and I can't believe Amazon let that happen in the first place.
- ta988 4y ago
  That's what happens when you design systems with no humans in the loop.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  I don't think Amazon actually had a realistic choice there. The edition of 1984 in question was pirated. Amazon could either remove it, or face a massive fine for distributing pirated material.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Ah, right. Didn't know that!
filmgirlcw 4y ago
Totally agree that the optics on this were horrendous. And Amazon admitted as much 13 years ago. The only slight thing I’ll say in their defense is that since the uploaded (it was through a self-service system) didn’t have the rights to upload those books (essentially, a third-party pirated the book, uploaded it to Amazon’s servers and then sold the book they didn’t have rights to), I understand the thought process that you’d delete and refund. It’s not like this was a legitimate book they removed. It was literally pirated. Removing books from purchaser’s devices was absolutely the wrong move and has created negative PR for Amazon for 13 years because of one bad decision. But Amazon has admitted it was the wrong move and to my knowledge hasn’t done it again. In fact, there are a number of books I’ve bought from Amazon over the years that are no longer available on Kindle for a variety of reasons (sometimes publishers pull them, sometimes authors) that I can still download retroactively to any of my devices. So if I’m going to be locked into any ecosystem, and this is just me, I’d rather be locked into the ecosystem that has had its DRM cracked pretty succinctly (meaning I can use my purchases on non-Amazon devices or apps) and that has an insanely robust library of books. Oh, and that integrates with my Audible library. Compare that to iBooks, where the DRM hasn’t been broken (at least, not the current scheme. Some people have had success using insanely old versions of iTunes and DRM rippers from more than a decade ago, but that’s not a reliable or approachable method) and I can’t read any of those books on my Eink devices, or Kobo, which doesn’t have as robust of a library and has always had that weird store-brand Frosted Flakes feeling, and I’m very happy to be inside the Kindle world. Plus, my Kindle Oasis has truly been a treat. (I said I would never buy one and now have bought two, so jokes on me).

Namari 4y ago

Can't believe there is such a thing of having an Ereader with ads. Ok it's cheaper but come on, that really shows us how low they think of us. I can understand for a free product but for something you pay ... like seriously!

senko 4y ago
Wait until you figure out printed books (paperbacks) come with ads too ...
- Namari 4y ago
  They already do, especially like the travel guides, there are always some ads here and there :|
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    That was the point. You were being mocked for your naïveté.
gambiting 4y ago
It's a very clear trade off - you get the device for less money, but you get ads. How is this "how low they think of us"?????
- Namari 4y ago
  I think this trade off shouldn't exist in the first place.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Why? Do you think companies giving you 10% in exchange for signing up for their newsletter shouldn't be able to do so too? It's the same thing - you get a discount for signing up to their ads campaign.

haxnewsben 4y ago

Also, if you buy the one with ads (because it's cheaper), you can literally just go on amazon customer support chat and ask them nicely to turn them off. It's worked for the few kindles I've owned

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