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Immigration was compared to "colonial appropriation" which doesn't exactly sound voluntary. In contrast, it would be a terrible thing to forcibly lock people i

Immigration was compared to "colonial appropriation" which doesn't exactly sound voluntary. In contrast, it would be a terrible thing to forcibly lock people into their birth countries to stop brain drain.

nicbou 4y ago
It’s not voluntary to the drained countries
- satyrnein 4y ago
  Sure it is, unless they have passed laws against emigration, like North Korea. (Of course, those laws would rightly be seen as totalitarian.)
  - nicbou 4y ago
    You confuse "not committing human rights abuses" with "voluntary". Countries that are losing their best and brightest are not happy about it.
    - satyrnein 4y ago
      So clear up my confusion: what should we do about it? Are we supposed to commit their human rights abuses for them, by denying entry to their best and brightest?
      - nicbou 4y ago
        It's possible to talk about a problem without having any solution for it. It's actually how engineers are taught to approach problems.
        _aavaa_ 4y ago
        That is a non-answer. What portion of this is non-voluntary?
csomar 4y ago
There are many ways this play out, and people in Western countries or not enough knowledge of the politics may not see it. For example, many third-world countries had tax-free regimes for tech/services export in order to boost these industries. This made sense to them. If you made $100K contracting for a US company, you'd pay $0. But you'd also get to spend/transfer that much needed money into the economy. You'd probably also not use any of the government services because they are sub-par to what you can get privately. Now, if you are required to pay an income tax at par to what you pay in developed countries, the whole scheme will no longer make sense. No one will agree to pay $50k and get no services in return. So you end moving to some other destination (ie: Dubai, or a western country where you pay $50k but relatively get your money's worth). This is as close to war as it can get.
jhbadger 4y ago
>In contrast, it would be a terrible thing to forcibly lock people into their birth countries to stop brain drain. This isn't hypothetical, of course. This is how places like the Soviet Union and East Germany worked. It was policy to literally shoot people trying to leave the country without permission. On the other hand, while certainly not justifying this atrocity, there certainly has been a "brain drain" as engineers, physicians, and scientists from the former Eastern Bloc have moved West for better employment opportunities.

nicbou 4y ago

It’s not voluntary to the drained countries

satyrnein 4y ago
Sure it is, unless they have passed laws against emigration, like North Korea. (Of course, those laws would rightly be seen as totalitarian.)
- nicbou 4y ago
  You confuse "not committing human rights abuses" with "voluntary". Countries that are losing their best and brightest are not happy about it.
  - satyrnein 4y ago
    So clear up my confusion: what should we do about it? Are we supposed to commit their human rights abuses for them, by denying entry to their best and brightest?
    - nicbou 4y ago
      It's possible to talk about a problem without having any solution for it. It's actually how engineers are taught to approach problems.
      - _aavaa_ 4y ago
        That is a non-answer. What portion of this is non-voluntary?

csomar 4y ago

There are many ways this play out, and people in Western countries or not enough knowledge of the politics may not see it. For example, many third-world countries had tax-free regimes for tech/services export in order to boost these industries. This made sense to them. If you made $100K contracting for a US company, you'd pay $0. But you'd also get to spend/transfer that much needed money into the economy. You'd probably also not use any of the government services because they are sub-par to what you can get privately. Now, if you are required to pay an income tax at par to what you pay in developed countries, the whole scheme will no longer make sense. No one will agree to pay $50k and get no services in return. So you end moving to some other destination (ie: Dubai, or a western country where you pay $50k but relatively get your money's worth). This is as close to war as it can get.

jhbadger 4y ago

>In contrast, it would be a terrible thing to forcibly lock people into their birth countries to stop brain drain. This isn't hypothetical, of course. This is how places like the Soviet Union and East Germany worked. It was policy to literally shoot people trying to leave the country without permission. On the other hand, while certainly not justifying this atrocity, there certainly has been a "brain drain" as engineers, physicians, and scientists from the former Eastern Bloc have moved West for better employment opportunities.