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potential terrorists? I mean, who isn't a potential terrorist?!

by jrochkind1 4y ago

WalterBright 4y ago
I'm not one.
- bryanrasmussen 4y ago
  maybe, but you are potentially accusable of being one.
- noSyncCloud 4y ago
  How do you know?
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Go through the US border. You'll find out. Even if you are a US citizen. I got thrown on something like this almost a decade ago when I fought alongside the YPG, a US backed Kurdish militia that fought against literal ISIS. DHS/CBP put me on some fucked up list and now everytime I re-enter the US I get detained, accused of crimes, tossed in holding cell. Last time it was 16 hours and they involuntarily took me to two hospitals, got a warrant to "internally search me" (anally), and drove me 60 miles to two different hospitals against my will while chained and cuffed while being accused of being a smuggler with no basis whatsoever. Later the hospitals sent me the bill, even though I never consented to anything, and there was no true medical reason for being dragged to the hospitals against my will, and despite DHS/CBP lying and saying they would pay for the hospital bills. I also filed complaints with the board for the medical professionals, and of course was told that a nurse can perform a law enforcement "search" without consent even without a warrant (the warrant was actually not served until after I went through the hospitals) and without even a court order or even being arrested (I wasn't arrested). Yes that's right, the Arizona nursing board says nurses can act as sworn law enforcement and can search you without even a warrant or probable cause and even if you never consent to any medical care or even being touched, and that they can provide medical care against your consent even if it's not an emergency and without a court order or warrant and without you even having been arrested. DHS has taken profit off of this opinion and now uses nurses to search people on their list without having to get their own hands dirty and minimize their own constitutional limitations. Let me count a few other occasions. Another time I was told I would never be allowed to re-enter the US; yes that as a US citizen I could not enter the United States. On yet another occasion I was told my passport would be cancelled, even though there's no real legal mechanism for them to do that. You can imagine what it's like to smile and nod your head while being told these wild lies by officers who may even be poorly trained enough to believe this themselves. It's always 4+ hours of detainment to cross a border along with intense attempted interrogation by DHS/HSI detectives. Ah yes, I've been fingerprinted and "booked" by DHS as well, on what basis I don't understand, even without being arrested. I have never been charged of any crimes, I have no criminal record, and in fact the only thing I did "wrong" was help protect people from actual terrorists. So yeah, if you want to find out. Jus cross the border, turn around and come back. You'll find out quite agressively.
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      Always be talking to an expensive camera and they will give you royal treatment.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        Sadly the border is the one exception where filming/recording an official in execution of their duties is illegal (constitution "doesn't apply" at the border). Same to cell phone operation. There's no way to record it. And I get strip-searched when I cross the border by officers who have found themselves quite desperate to find something, anything, to charge me with. I would say the banning of recording at the border is something DHS/CBP counts on in order to enable their pattern of abuse. And when they lie in their warrant, it helps them greatly as it's purely your word against theirs.
        CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        And doesn't "the border" get defined as something like 100 miles from every "port of entry", which not only includes land borders and the coasts but also internal international airports?
    - imwillofficial 4y ago
      Jesus Christ, I’m so sorry for your experience. I hope this is solved for you in the future. This story makes my blood boil.
    - joecool1029 4y ago
      >So yeah, if you want to find out. Jus cross the border, turn around and come back. You'll find out quite agressively. Were you deployed or did you go there on your own? Joining with a militia and fighting in a war zone full of terrorists is the sort of activity that should trip all the red flags. US-backing doesn't necessarily mean the group is without their own controversies and if you weren't deployed how the hell do they actually know what your goals were while you were there? I get it, your situation sucks ass and you shouldn't be subject to abuse but you're absolutely not a normal case and 'fighting with a foreign militia' is exactly the sort of activity customs is going to want to know the story behind.
- zinekeller 4y ago
  The problem is even if you aren't one and even if you are not the one targeted by DHS/FBI, you could still be caught in it if someone with a similar name was caught up on it (like "Judy Smith", an alias used by an actual US domestic terrorist, which significantly inconvenienced a lot of Judy Smiths). I mean, sure programs like TSA TRIP exists to mitigate this, but in practice no-one outside of TSA readily honors or knows them (and certainly not Equifax, which considering credit scores are widely utilized, would definitely impact their day-to-day life).
  - notch656a 4y ago
    There's also the fact you can end up on a DHS list and there seems no real way to get off of it, even after being interrogated by HSI / DHS on many occasions and them seemingly being satisfied you are indeed not a terrorist. See my post below for more on how I know this.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  Maybe not today, but maybe tomorrow!
- bigmattystyles 4y ago
- klyrs 4y ago
  Have you ever worn a beard, or a hoodie?
- kristopolous 4y ago
  That classification is rather arbitrary and not yours to make. That's kinda the whole problem with it And it's kinda nonsense, isn't the point of the nutty airport security to catch people in a terrorizing act?
- throwntoday 4y ago
  That is of course until the laws change and what you formally considered a fundamental right becomes an act of terrorism.
- djmips 4y ago
  If you piss off a border guard or they don't like the cut of your jib they could put you on the watch list.
devoutsalsa 4y ago
adds jrochkind1 to watchlist
vandreas2 4y ago
Probably people people who don't fit a certain profile, in the extreme people like kids, old people, billionaires, most politicians, priests, disabled people. Sure kids could grow to become terrorists but I doubt there are any 2 year olds in those lists. I don't know how many women fit the profile of a terrorist though.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  https://famous-trials.com/pattyhearst/2200-fbiposter https://famous-trials.com/pattyhearst/2200-fbiposter
- lazide 4y ago
  You have far too much faith in organizations
- frumper 4y ago
  The world will tremble at the sound of our burps and toots. https://theintercept.com/2016/04/06/class-action-suit-targets-system-that-added-a-baby-to-terrorist-watchlist/ https://theintercept.com/2016/04/06/class-action-suit-target...

potential terrorists? I mean, who isn't a potential terrorist?!

WalterBright 4y ago

I'm not one.

bryanrasmussen 4y ago
maybe, but you are potentially accusable of being one.
noSyncCloud 4y ago
How do you know?
- notch656a 4y ago
  Go through the US border. You'll find out. Even if you are a US citizen. I got thrown on something like this almost a decade ago when I fought alongside the YPG, a US backed Kurdish militia that fought against literal ISIS. DHS/CBP put me on some fucked up list and now everytime I re-enter the US I get detained, accused of crimes, tossed in holding cell. Last time it was 16 hours and they involuntarily took me to two hospitals, got a warrant to "internally search me" (anally), and drove me 60 miles to two different hospitals against my will while chained and cuffed while being accused of being a smuggler with no basis whatsoever. Later the hospitals sent me the bill, even though I never consented to anything, and there was no true medical reason for being dragged to the hospitals against my will, and despite DHS/CBP lying and saying they would pay for the hospital bills. I also filed complaints with the board for the medical professionals, and of course was told that a nurse can perform a law enforcement "search" without consent even without a warrant (the warrant was actually not served until after I went through the hospitals) and without even a court order or even being arrested (I wasn't arrested). Yes that's right, the Arizona nursing board says nurses can act as sworn law enforcement and can search you without even a warrant or probable cause and even if you never consent to any medical care or even being touched, and that they can provide medical care against your consent even if it's not an emergency and without a court order or warrant and without you even having been arrested. DHS has taken profit off of this opinion and now uses nurses to search people on their list without having to get their own hands dirty and minimize their own constitutional limitations. Let me count a few other occasions. Another time I was told I would never be allowed to re-enter the US; yes that as a US citizen I could not enter the United States. On yet another occasion I was told my passport would be cancelled, even though there's no real legal mechanism for them to do that. You can imagine what it's like to smile and nod your head while being told these wild lies by officers who may even be poorly trained enough to believe this themselves. It's always 4+ hours of detainment to cross a border along with intense attempted interrogation by DHS/HSI detectives. Ah yes, I've been fingerprinted and "booked" by DHS as well, on what basis I don't understand, even without being arrested. I have never been charged of any crimes, I have no criminal record, and in fact the only thing I did "wrong" was help protect people from actual terrorists. So yeah, if you want to find out. Jus cross the border, turn around and come back. You'll find out quite agressively.
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    Always be talking to an expensive camera and they will give you royal treatment.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      Sadly the border is the one exception where filming/recording an official in execution of their duties is illegal (constitution "doesn't apply" at the border). Same to cell phone operation. There's no way to record it. And I get strip-searched when I cross the border by officers who have found themselves quite desperate to find something, anything, to charge me with. I would say the banning of recording at the border is something DHS/CBP counts on in order to enable their pattern of abuse. And when they lie in their warrant, it helps them greatly as it's purely your word against theirs.
      - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        And doesn't "the border" get defined as something like 100 miles from every "port of entry", which not only includes land borders and the coasts but also internal international airports?
  - imwillofficial 4y ago
    Jesus Christ, I’m so sorry for your experience. I hope this is solved for you in the future. This story makes my blood boil.
  - joecool1029 4y ago
    >So yeah, if you want to find out. Jus cross the border, turn around and come back. You'll find out quite agressively. Were you deployed or did you go there on your own? Joining with a militia and fighting in a war zone full of terrorists is the sort of activity that should trip all the red flags. US-backing doesn't necessarily mean the group is without their own controversies and if you weren't deployed how the hell do they actually know what your goals were while you were there? I get it, your situation sucks ass and you shouldn't be subject to abuse but you're absolutely not a normal case and 'fighting with a foreign militia' is exactly the sort of activity customs is going to want to know the story behind.
zinekeller 4y ago
The problem is even if you aren't one and even if you are not the one targeted by DHS/FBI, you could still be caught in it if someone with a similar name was caught up on it (like "Judy Smith", an alias used by an actual US domestic terrorist, which significantly inconvenienced a lot of Judy Smiths). I mean, sure programs like TSA TRIP exists to mitigate this, but in practice no-one outside of TSA readily honors or knows them (and certainly not Equifax, which considering credit scores are widely utilized, would definitely impact their day-to-day life).
- notch656a 4y ago
  There's also the fact you can end up on a DHS list and there seems no real way to get off of it, even after being interrogated by HSI / DHS on many occasions and them seemingly being satisfied you are indeed not a terrorist. See my post below for more on how I know this.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
Maybe not today, but maybe tomorrow!
bigmattystyles 4y ago
klyrs 4y ago
Have you ever worn a beard, or a hoodie?
kristopolous 4y ago
That classification is rather arbitrary and not yours to make. That's kinda the whole problem with it And it's kinda nonsense, isn't the point of the nutty airport security to catch people in a terrorizing act?
throwntoday 4y ago
That is of course until the laws change and what you formally considered a fundamental right becomes an act of terrorism.
djmips 4y ago
If you piss off a border guard or they don't like the cut of your jib they could put you on the watch list.

devoutsalsa 4y ago

adds jrochkind1 to watchlist

vandreas2 4y ago

Probably people people who don't fit a certain profile, in the extreme people like kids, old people, billionaires, most politicians, priests, disabled people. Sure kids could grow to become terrorists but I doubt there are any 2 year olds in those lists. I don't know how many women fit the profile of a terrorist though.

PaulHoule 4y ago
https://famous-trials.com/pattyhearst/2200-fbiposter https://famous-trials.com/pattyhearst/2200-fbiposter
lazide 4y ago
You have far too much faith in organizations
frumper 4y ago
The world will tremble at the sound of our burps and toots. https://theintercept.com/2016/04/06/class-action-suit-targets-system-that-added-a-baby-to-terrorist-watchlist/ https://theintercept.com/2016/04/06/class-action-suit-target...