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Everything we can observe in this universe has a cause and effect. The first cause is God.
by eldenwrong 4y ago
Everything we can observe in this universe has a cause and effect. The first cause is God.
- tmountain 4y agoTheology fits comfortably with our intuitive perception of time, but that doesn’t make it the definitive answer.
- logicchop 4y agoIt doesn't really have anything to do with time. The "sustainment" question is different from the "causal" question. Causal questions are typically temporal and past-looking. Sustainment is a question about "now", always.
- 8bitsrule 4y agoIf the physical universe always existed, then it needed no creator. If it was created, then the question moves back a step: where'd the creator come from? And we wind up with the same mystery.
- otikik 4y agoThis has been discussed many times before. The problem is that "the first cause is God" is not based on anything. It is perfectly fine to ask "If everything has a cause, then what caused God?". Then there's two options. One is that it's "turtles all the way down" - God1 caused God. And God2 caused God1. And that goes on, forever. The other option is "God caused himself". Which is similar to being "the first cause", but here's the difference: at that point, we have admitted an exception to the "everything has a cause" rule, which is that "some things can cause themselves". At which point one might as well make that decision earlier and conclude "The Universe Created Itself", not needing God at all.
- yusefnapora 4y agoThe “god as first cause” argument feels like a stack overflow. It’s just what happens when you infinitely recurse a cause and effect chain. If you don’t want to spend rest of your life evaluating it, you eventually just give up and `throw new Exception(“a wizard did it”)`