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The only way to avoid having censorship lists be abused is to stop having censorship lists.

cmeacham98 4y ago
Unless you're a fan of spam/scams/etc running rampant on every platform we're going to need "censorship lists". So inject some nuance and talk about what types are ok and what types aren't.
maltalex 4y ago
Right, throw the baby out with the bathwater. "The only to avoid having laws be abused is to stop having laws". Listen, I don't like censorship as much as the next guy. But in the real world, lists and platforms without some sort of moderation become of cesspool of the worst that society has to offer.
- MrStonedOne 4y ago
sneak 4y ago
The only way to stop having society-wide censorship lists is to stop using centralized media and centralized social networks. So long as there is only one chokepoint for widespread automated censorship, the state will illegally censor things it doesn't like.
- azinman2 4y ago
  Yes having ISIS propaganda decentralized for sure makes for a better world. /s There are bad people who do bad things, and to say let’s just ignore this because things I don’t want to happen are is ignoring the realities and difficulties of the world. It’s not black and white, and bad things will be done in the name of action.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Are you proposing that we start monitoring phone calls and the mails like we do the internet, and cut off calls and burn mail that involve disapproved talk?
    - azinman2 4y ago
      Seems like as uncharitable an interpretation as possible. There’s a difference between broadcasting and 1-1 communication. Phone calls and mail can already be monitored, btw.
  - sneak 4y ago
    There's no such thing as bad publishing. If people don't like or want it, they won't consume it. Let people make their own choices about what to read or watch. If ISIS propaganda can be decentralized and widely available, that means western propaganda (as well as western hard facts and reporting) are decentralized and widely available as well. Unless you think that all ideologies are equally desirable to end users, this results in a net win for "your side".
    - azinman2 4y ago
      That didn’t seem to work very well for Covid. People will find what suits them in the moment and go with that. We know that ISIS used the internet incredibly well to recruit with their propaganda, and it was exactly through things like YouTube that they build a large and international audience. So it’s not theory, it’s already happened. You can rely on just drowning out ideas, because the internet allows amplification for bad ideas to get more exposure than they naturally would otherwise.
  - oehpr 4y ago
    no >and to say let’s just ignore this because things I don’t want to happen are is ignoring the realities and difficulties of the world. Right. Better then to make it so we can't ever hear, record, or react to the realities of a difficult world. Terrorists stop being terrorists when they can't talk to each other on your platform. SESTA and FOSTA writ large. I strongly disagree.
babypuncher 4y ago
spam bots have first amendment rights too!

Unless you're a fan of spam/scams/etc running rampant on every platform we're going to need "censorship lists". So inject some nuance and talk about what types are ok and what types aren't.

maltalex 4y ago

Right, throw the baby out with the bathwater. "The only to avoid having laws be abused is to stop having laws". Listen, I don't like censorship as much as the next guy. But in the real world, lists and platforms without some sort of moderation become of cesspool of the worst that society has to offer.

MrStonedOne 4y ago

sneak 4y ago

The only way to stop having society-wide censorship lists is to stop using centralized media and centralized social networks. So long as there is only one chokepoint for widespread automated censorship, the state will illegally censor things it doesn't like.

azinman2 4y ago
Yes having ISIS propaganda decentralized for sure makes for a better world. /s There are bad people who do bad things, and to say let’s just ignore this because things I don’t want to happen are is ignoring the realities and difficulties of the world. It’s not black and white, and bad things will be done in the name of action.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Are you proposing that we start monitoring phone calls and the mails like we do the internet, and cut off calls and burn mail that involve disapproved talk?
  - azinman2 4y ago
    Seems like as uncharitable an interpretation as possible. There’s a difference between broadcasting and 1-1 communication. Phone calls and mail can already be monitored, btw.
- sneak 4y ago
  There's no such thing as bad publishing. If people don't like or want it, they won't consume it. Let people make their own choices about what to read or watch. If ISIS propaganda can be decentralized and widely available, that means western propaganda (as well as western hard facts and reporting) are decentralized and widely available as well. Unless you think that all ideologies are equally desirable to end users, this results in a net win for "your side".
  - azinman2 4y ago
    That didn’t seem to work very well for Covid. People will find what suits them in the moment and go with that. We know that ISIS used the internet incredibly well to recruit with their propaganda, and it was exactly through things like YouTube that they build a large and international audience. So it’s not theory, it’s already happened. You can rely on just drowning out ideas, because the internet allows amplification for bad ideas to get more exposure than they naturally would otherwise.
- oehpr 4y ago
  no >and to say let’s just ignore this because things I don’t want to happen are is ignoring the realities and difficulties of the world. Right. Better then to make it so we can't ever hear, record, or react to the realities of a difficult world. Terrorists stop being terrorists when they can't talk to each other on your platform. SESTA and FOSTA writ large. I strongly disagree.

babypuncher 4y ago

spam bots have first amendment rights too!