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You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "Accord

by gdy 4y ago

You are misrepresenting a couple of isolated cases in the beginning of the war and what looks like fake news as full picture. Meanwhile in the Ukraine: "According to a July 11 report in Ukrainian media, Ruslan Onishenko, commander of the now-disbanded Tornado Battalion, was freed as part of President Zelensky’s scheme to release prisoners with combat experience. Along with an unwavering commitment to fascism, Onishenko is known as a psychopathic sadist who was involved in sexually assaulting children, brutally torturing prisoners, and murder. Onishenko’s release follows a February 27 order by Zelensky to free other convicted former Tornado members like Danil “Mujahed” Lyashuk, a fanatic from Belarus who has openly emulated ISIS and boasted of torturing captives for sheer enjoyment. According to Zelensky‘s decree, prisoners with combat experience would be allowed to “compensate for their guilt” by fighting in the “hottest spots.”" [0] [0] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convic...

_kbh_ 4y ago
I’d avoid using the gray zone as a source they are effectively just used to relabel RT and other Russian propaganda. And unless you seriously believe that Ukraine has genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions you’d be a bit of a fool to believe what RT says. But if your fine to use the gray zone I’ll be happy to use RFERL and they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons[0]. Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers because you cannot send conscripts to Ukraine[1]. Doesn’t sound like a couple isolated cases to me, sounds like a country in a meat grinder that’s desperate for soldiers. [0] https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-ukraine-war/31940102.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-... [1] https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts-ukraine-invasion-volunteers https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts...
- gdy 4y ago
  I'd recommend to follow the links in the article and read Ukrainian reporting through google translate[0] and the dailymail reporting too.[1] "genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions" What? I have no problem with RFERL if it cites its sources and I can judge their credibility. I'd recommend you do the same instead of picking the news source you like and blindly believing any bs it feeds you. "they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons" There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. "Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers" That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. "a country in a meat grinder" It is meat grinder there, there is war there in case you haven't heard. Since there is no mobilization in Russia, Putin is conducting the special operation with contract soldiers and shady private military. [0] https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhdennyy-za-pytki-byvshiy-kombat-tornado-onishchenko-vyshel-na-svobodu-eks-nardep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhd... [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-reveals-prisoners-combat-experience-RELEASED-help-defend-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-r...
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > What? That is what RT unironically posts, the gray zones hires a lot of people who work / worked for RT. > There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. We just got today screen shots from a Russian telegram account that says nearly 200 people from a prison in Moscow have been killed in the war in Ukraine (2 are left, injured). https://twitter.com/Haruspexut/status/1558072715776368640 https://twitter.com/Haruspexut/status/1558072715776368640 > That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. Why do you think its changed? if Russia is already trying to get lots of prisoners (easily over 200) into the war why do you think they'd stop trying to force conscripts?. Theres reports that there is tonnes of pressure from the conscription officers[1] and we know that 'volunteer' brigades have been made up from cities[2]. [1] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-illegally-detained-conscripts-pressure/31926058.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-illegally-detaine... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/29/europe/russia-recruits-volunteer-battalions-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/29/europe/russia-recruits-vo...
    - gdy 4y ago
      'screen shots from a Russian telegram account' Seriously? 'why do you think they'd stop trying to force conscripts' Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. 'there is tonnes of pressure from the conscription officers' The article doesn't say anything about conscripts being sent to the Ukraine. "'volunteer'" Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > Seriously? Yes a large amount of this war is broadcast on telegram primarily > Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. Your trying to tell me that the army that rapes and loots with impunity is having their officers punished for pressuring conscripts into being contract soldiers and going to Ukraine?, I find that hard to believe. > Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass. Maybe if Russias little green men and FSB officers didn't enter Donbas, shoot down a civilian airliner and start a civil war there wouldn't have to be fighting in Donbas.

by gdy 4y ago

_kbh_ 4y ago

I’d avoid using the gray zone as a source they are effectively just used to relabel RT and other Russian propaganda. And unless you seriously believe that Ukraine has genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions you’d be a bit of a fool to believe what RT says. But if your fine to use the gray zone I’ll be happy to use RFERL and they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons[0]. Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers because you cannot send conscripts to Ukraine[1]. Doesn’t sound like a couple isolated cases to me, sounds like a country in a meat grinder that’s desperate for soldiers. [0] https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-ukraine-war/31940102.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-penitentiaries-recruitment-... [1] https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts-ukraine-invasion-volunteers https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/5dgqen/russia-conscripts...

gdy 4y ago
I'd recommend to follow the links in the article and read Ukrainian reporting through google translate[0] and the dailymail reporting too.[1] "genetically engineered super soldiers and black magic battalions" What? I have no problem with RFERL if it cites its sources and I can judge their credibility. I'd recommend you do the same instead of picking the news source you like and blindly believing any bs it feeds you. "they are reporting that hundreds of people are being recruited from Russian prisons" There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. "Vice is also reporting that Russian conscripts are being forced into contract soldiers" That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. "a country in a meat grinder" It is meat grinder there, there is war there in case you haven't heard. Since there is no mobilization in Russia, Putin is conducting the special operation with contract soldiers and shady private military. [0] https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhdennyy-za-pytki-byvshiy-kombat-tornado-onishchenko-vyshel-na-svobodu-eks-nardep?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://focus-ua.translate.goog/uk/amp/ukraine/521825-osuzhd... [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-reveals-prisoners-combat-experience-RELEASED-help-defend-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10559879/Zelensky-r...
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > What? That is what RT unironically posts, the gray zones hires a lot of people who work / worked for RT. > There is no support for these numbers in the article and in the materials it links to. But it's possible that it is happening, the source (gulagu.net) is somewhat famous for exposing torture and rape in Russian prisons and deserves not to be rejected out of hand. It may be unwittingly retranslating disinformation anonymously reported to it, or it may be true. We just got today screen shots from a Russian telegram account that says nearly 200 people from a prison in Moscow have been killed in the war in Ukraine (2 are left, injured). https://twitter.com/Haruspexut/status/1558072715776368640 https://twitter.com/Haruspexut/status/1558072715776368640 > That is an article from the first weeks of the war describing those isolated episodes. Why do you think its changed? if Russia is already trying to get lots of prisoners (easily over 200) into the war why do you think they'd stop trying to force conscripts?. Theres reports that there is tonnes of pressure from the conscription officers[1] and we know that 'volunteer' brigades have been made up from cities[2]. [1] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-illegally-detained-conscripts-pressure/31926058.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-war-illegally-detaine... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/29/europe/russia-recruits-volunteer-battalions-ukraine-war-cmd-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/29/europe/russia-recruits-vo...
  - gdy 4y ago
    'screen shots from a Russian telegram account' Seriously? 'why do you think they'd stop trying to force conscripts' Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. 'there is tonnes of pressure from the conscription officers' The article doesn't say anything about conscripts being sent to the Ukraine. "'volunteer'" Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > Seriously? Yes a large amount of this war is broadcast on telegram primarily > Because there was a huge scandal and reportedly many officers involved in sending conscripts into the Ukraine were punished. Your trying to tell me that the army that rapes and loots with impunity is having their officers punished for pressuring conscripts into being contract soldiers and going to Ukraine?, I find that hard to believe. > Why did you put volunteer into quotes? A lot of people in Russia has been pissed by the Ukrainian 'anti-terrorist operation' in the Donbass. Maybe if Russias little green men and FSB officers didn't enter Donbas, shoot down a civilian airliner and start a civil war there wouldn't have to be fighting in Donbas.