4 ms·

to date, FSD remains a “Level 2” advanced driver-assistance system, meaning the driver must stay fully engaged in the operation of the vehicle while it’s in mot

to date, FSD remains a “Level 2” advanced driver-assistance system, meaning the driver must stay fully engaged in the operation of the vehicle while it’s in motion. The car is continuously reminding you to keep your hands on the wheel with a prompt. You cannot ignore it without deliberately fooling the mechanism somehow. Ultimately it is your responsibility to hit the brakes and steer or stop the car. FSD is not a license to sit back and read a book. Without more information I find it hard to blame anyone but the driver. Are there cases of the car having a mind of its own and overriding the driver's command?

sidibe 4y ago
Regardless of whether it's impacting safety or not (I'd be surprised it's not based on the videos of frequent exciting interventions), I can't believe they haven't gotten anything for deceptive marketing about this feature. Tesla.com/autopilot has a video now for many many years that tries to paint the picture you could sit back and read a book (if not for those pesky regulators). Meanwhile people are paying over $10k for it while the fine print (or overt warnings) make it pretty clear it's currently useless
whateveracct 4y ago
First time I was in a Tesla was about a month ago. We were driving on the expressway and suddenly the Tesla jerked right and then left and beeped. As if it were dodging something. It was pretty horrifying. The driver was no longer in control. There was maybe some roadkill on the side of the road? Nothing to actually dodge - definitely a false positive. My dad (a first-time Tesla driver) promptly turned off the assistance and we all had a better time.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
sneak 4y ago
> FSD is not a license to sit back and read a book. Given then that the F stands for "full", this seems like a simple case of fraud to me.
olliej 4y ago
No, you can't design a system than operates contrary to how human brains work, and then say that it's the driver's fault that they did exactly what we know human brains do. We learned that from aircraft, and correctly identified from numerous accidents that expecting even super highly trained, in extremely safety critical positions, are not able to do what FSD requires by design.

sidibe 4y ago

Regardless of whether it's impacting safety or not (I'd be surprised it's not based on the videos of frequent exciting interventions), I can't believe they haven't gotten anything for deceptive marketing about this feature. Tesla.com/autopilot has a video now for many many years that tries to paint the picture you could sit back and read a book (if not for those pesky regulators). Meanwhile people are paying over $10k for it while the fine print (or overt warnings) make it pretty clear it's currently useless

whateveracct 4y ago

First time I was in a Tesla was about a month ago. We were driving on the expressway and suddenly the Tesla jerked right and then left and beeped. As if it were dodging something. It was pretty horrifying. The driver was no longer in control. There was maybe some roadkill on the side of the road? Nothing to actually dodge - definitely a false positive. My dad (a first-time Tesla driver) promptly turned off the assistance and we all had a better time.

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]

sneak 4y ago

> FSD is not a license to sit back and read a book. Given then that the F stands for "full", this seems like a simple case of fraud to me.

olliej 4y ago

No, you can't design a system than operates contrary to how human brains work, and then say that it's the driver's fault that they did exactly what we know human brains do. We learned that from aircraft, and correctly identified from numerous accidents that expecting even super highly trained, in extremely safety critical positions, are not able to do what FSD requires by design.