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It isn't. By that logic any browser is liable for violating ToS of websites, which btw isn't the law and you are not obligated to follow anyhow. This of course

It isn't. By that logic any browser is liable for violating ToS of websites, which btw isn't the law and you are not obligated to follow anyhow. This of course is a different case for corporations with a dedicated legal team.

andix 4y ago
First Instagram is not a browser. And second the browser manufacturer (usually) doesn’t make any money by tracking their users. They provide them with a tool, a browser. There is the browser Brave, that replaces ads on websites (and makes some profit with that), and there are some serious legal issues coming with that.
- avalys 4y ago
  Seems like Instagram _is_ a browser. The right you seem to be claiming is “you can’t render my website in your app if I don’t like your app”, and that’s not how it works.
  - andix 4y ago
    So why are iframes then not allowed by some legislations? Because an iframe is also "just a browser".
- upupandup 4y ago
  My god...you are like the 8th inactive HN user I saw that suddenly springs into action to suggest Brave or post links to Brave I think we can see whats really going on here. Any chance to drop or mention Brave, after not being active for weeks or months, suddenly congregate to push Brave browser Dang really needs to do something about this type of astroturfing
  - andix 4y ago
    what are you suggesting? I didn't recommend Brave to anyone, it's just a comparable example to this issue. You can look up their legal issues and build your own opinion based on that. And why are you suggesting i'm an "inactive user"?
- account42 4y ago
  > And second the browser manufacturer (usually) doesn’t make any money by tracking their users. Don't they? Google, Apple and Microsoft are all in the ads business.
  - andix 4y ago
    Yes, but they don't secretly track you on the websites you visit. They do it in some way, but not directly on the browser. More with settings sync, their search engines, ... The thing about the law is, that some specific things are forbidden. And if you achieve the same goal, in another legal way, it is fine. For example saving taxes: If you make a fraudulent report and save 1000$ this is illegal. But if you find a way to save 1000$ on taxes, by declaring something legal, the same 1000$ are fine. But in both cases you save exactly the same amount.

andix 4y ago

First Instagram is not a browser. And second the browser manufacturer (usually) doesn’t make any money by tracking their users. They provide them with a tool, a browser. There is the browser Brave, that replaces ads on websites (and makes some profit with that), and there are some serious legal issues coming with that.

avalys 4y ago
Seems like Instagram _is_ a browser. The right you seem to be claiming is “you can’t render my website in your app if I don’t like your app”, and that’s not how it works.
- andix 4y ago
  So why are iframes then not allowed by some legislations? Because an iframe is also "just a browser".
upupandup 4y ago
My god...you are like the 8th inactive HN user I saw that suddenly springs into action to suggest Brave or post links to Brave I think we can see whats really going on here. Any chance to drop or mention Brave, after not being active for weeks or months, suddenly congregate to push Brave browser Dang really needs to do something about this type of astroturfing
- andix 4y ago
  what are you suggesting? I didn't recommend Brave to anyone, it's just a comparable example to this issue. You can look up their legal issues and build your own opinion based on that. And why are you suggesting i'm an "inactive user"?
account42 4y ago
> And second the browser manufacturer (usually) doesn’t make any money by tracking their users. Don't they? Google, Apple and Microsoft are all in the ads business.
- andix 4y ago
  Yes, but they don't secretly track you on the websites you visit. They do it in some way, but not directly on the browser. More with settings sync, their search engines, ... The thing about the law is, that some specific things are forbidden. And if you achieve the same goal, in another legal way, it is fine. For example saving taxes: If you make a fraudulent report and save 1000$ this is illegal. But if you find a way to save 1000$ on taxes, by declaring something legal, the same 1000$ are fine. But in both cases you save exactly the same amount.