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We didn't read enough dystopian novels yet to that describe the privatisation of law enforcement. We wanted the real thing.

by riedel 4y ago

93po 4y ago
Law enforcement started out privatized, and has basically always existed mainly for the benefit of the privileged private class.
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- contingencies 4y ago
  +1 insightful. Also, Ancient Egyptian Police Had Trained Monkeys https://www.ranker.com/list/police-in-ancient-societies/mike-rothschild https://www.ranker.com/list/police-in-ancient-societies/mike...
  - 93po 4y ago
    Having a trained monkey try to chase you down (presumably with a weapon) sounds terrifying, yet somehow I'm not convinced it would be all together worse than what we have now
- m-p-3 4y ago
  Law and order: Laws are made and signed by the ruling class (not saying all laws are bad, we need them), and they (hopefully) reflect which values the people wants their justice system to protect. Order can be interpreted in two ways; keeping society stable, but also keeping the order (the status quo) of the social classes as they are.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of bread" -Anatole France
  - netsharc 4y ago
    There's some nice beach city where people are not allowed to have a nice walk on the beach at night because they made some law to prevent homeless people sleeping there... if only Google was still a proper search engine I could post the link..
ars 4y ago
I've always felt that "large" providers should not be able to ban someone except for something that is illegal in the real world. Every time I post it people hate the idea "it's a private service you can't tell them what to do". And the alternative is what exactly? (And yes, I know there are some details to work out, what is "large", what about Spam, what about offtopic messages. But those are details, my post is about the main idea of banning someone. Hate speech and harassment are already illegal.)
- kube-system 4y ago
  The alternative is designation as a public utility.
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- anotherman554 4y ago
  Hate speech isn't necessarily illegal nor do I know what you have in mind when you say "harassment" is illegal, there are 50 states in the U.S. with 50 sets of laws.
- mrtranscendence 4y ago
  Let's say I've got a website called Jay's Cool Community for Elementary School Kids and their Parents. Steve comes in and starts posting nazi symbology, and as soon as I delete his content he just posts more. Nazi symbols aren't illegal in the country where Steve and I reside, so under your regime I can't boot him from my website. Do I, as Jay, have no recourse now?
  - michaelgrafl 4y ago
    You should be able to ban him from your website. But not all other websites on the Internet.
    - pc86 4y ago

We didn't read enough dystopian novels yet to that describe the privatisation of law enforcement. We wanted the real thing.

by riedel 4y ago

We didn't read enough dystopian novels yet to that describe the privatisation of law enforcement. We wanted the real thing.

93po 4y ago

Law enforcement started out privatized, and has basically always existed mainly for the benefit of the privileged private class.

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contingencies 4y ago
+1 insightful. Also, Ancient Egyptian Police Had Trained Monkeys https://www.ranker.com/list/police-in-ancient-societies/mike-rothschild https://www.ranker.com/list/police-in-ancient-societies/mike...
- 93po 4y ago
  Having a trained monkey try to chase you down (presumably with a weapon) sounds terrifying, yet somehow I'm not convinced it would be all together worse than what we have now
m-p-3 4y ago
Law and order: Laws are made and signed by the ruling class (not saying all laws are bad, we need them), and they (hopefully) reflect which values the people wants their justice system to protect. Order can be interpreted in two ways; keeping society stable, but also keeping the order (the status quo) of the social classes as they are.
jjoonathan 4y ago
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal loaves of bread" -Anatole France
- netsharc 4y ago
  There's some nice beach city where people are not allowed to have a nice walk on the beach at night because they made some law to prevent homeless people sleeping there... if only Google was still a proper search engine I could post the link..

ars 4y ago

I've always felt that "large" providers should not be able to ban someone except for something that is illegal in the real world. Every time I post it people hate the idea "it's a private service you can't tell them what to do". And the alternative is what exactly? (And yes, I know there are some details to work out, what is "large", what about Spam, what about offtopic messages. But those are details, my post is about the main idea of banning someone. Hate speech and harassment are already illegal.)

kube-system 4y ago
The alternative is designation as a public utility.
- deleted 4y ago
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anotherman554 4y ago
Hate speech isn't necessarily illegal nor do I know what you have in mind when you say "harassment" is illegal, there are 50 states in the U.S. with 50 sets of laws.
mrtranscendence 4y ago
Let's say I've got a website called Jay's Cool Community for Elementary School Kids and their Parents. Steve comes in and starts posting nazi symbology, and as soon as I delete his content he just posts more. Nazi symbols aren't illegal in the country where Steve and I reside, so under your regime I can't boot him from my website. Do I, as Jay, have no recourse now?
- michaelgrafl 4y ago
  You should be able to ban him from your website. But not all other websites on the Internet.
  - pc86 4y ago