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…why would identity politics lead to this series of events? Because it somehow restricts speech? China has very restricted speech compared to America and Chin

by jnovek 4y ago

…why would identity politics lead to this series of events? Because it somehow restricts speech? China has very restricted speech compared to America and Chinese researchers manage to publish just fine.

deepdriver 4y ago
China has a history of brain drain to the West for exactly this reason (and others, like quality of living): https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2010-11/BrainDrain/China.html https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2010-... Speaking based on my own experience with young Chinese colleagues in academia and industry, this flow was already reversing before 2020 kicked idpol into hyperdrive. And never mind the anti-Asian hate crimes, where we aren’t allowed to notice or discuss common characteristics of the perpetrators (not that it stops folks from noticing or discussing). Michael Burry of Big Short fame recently found the Justice Department burying relevant data on the perpetrators: https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1556003057699209218 https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1556003057699209218
- rychco 4y ago
  This seems particularly alarming to me. Why would it be hidden?
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    People keep noticing patterns that others would prefer not to e noticed. If data isn’t collected it can’t be used to argue against your politics. For a non-US example see how the French state does not collect data on ethnicity or religion. It makes it more difficult to see how [social outcome] is uniquely distributed whether it be highest level of education, likelihood of convict of a crime or anything else of interest.
    - conviencefee999 4y ago
      This was done in Japan during the second world war. They unified under the idea of a singular identity similar to in China of the Han ethnicity which mind you is over 2000 years old and for the most part the Han people do not live in China but rather migrated to Korea. When you can pretend ethnic groups do not exist you can systemically and permanently create castes which make those who are visibly different from others into members of an invisible caste which they cannot escape. In the US the Technology industry made the same mistake when it allowed the Hindu Caste to take over the immigration policies during the 90s to early 80s.
      - imbnwa 4y ago
        >They unified under the idea of a singular identity similar to in China of the Han ethnicity which mind you is over 2000 years old and for the most part the Han people do not live in China but rather migrated to Korea >In the US the Technology industry made the same mistake when it allowed the Hindu Caste to take over the immigration policies during the 90s to early 80s. Would you have links to more expansive elaborations on these, have never heard these and they're intriguing
        barry-cotter 4y ago
        What was written about Japan and China is absolute bollocks and I have no reason to believe what was written about the “Hindu Caste” is any more reliable. Han was the name of a Chinese dynasty. It became the ethnonym of the core Chinese ethnic group later though Tang has also been used as such to my knowledge. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are other similar uses. More or less everything written about Japan was false. Before the Black Ships, the Matthew Perry expedition when the US forced Japan open, ending its policy of isolation Japan was amazingly close to mono-ethnic for a pre-modern state. There were the Japanese proper, the Ainu and the Ryukuans/Okinawans and that was it. Not allowing your people to leave and come back rather damps down on foreign populations and absent constant replenishment immigrant communities assimilate. Insofar as Japan has a caste system it long pre-dates WW2. The eta/burakumin are still treated badly. The absolute dumbest thing about the comment was not referencing Japan’s long standing othered ethnic minority, the Zainich Koreans who were stripped of Japanese citizenship after WW2 given that Korea was no longer part of the Japanese state.
- norwalkbear 4y ago
  Yea black on Asian crime being framed as white violence is insanely weird.

by jnovek 4y ago

deepdriver 4y ago

China has a history of brain drain to the West for exactly this reason (and others, like quality of living): https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2010-11/BrainDrain/China.html https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/2010-... Speaking based on my own experience with young Chinese colleagues in academia and industry, this flow was already reversing before 2020 kicked idpol into hyperdrive. And never mind the anti-Asian hate crimes, where we aren’t allowed to notice or discuss common characteristics of the perpetrators (not that it stops folks from noticing or discussing). Michael Burry of Big Short fame recently found the Justice Department burying relevant data on the perpetrators: https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1556003057699209218 https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1556003057699209218

rychco 4y ago
This seems particularly alarming to me. Why would it be hidden?
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  People keep noticing patterns that others would prefer not to e noticed. If data isn’t collected it can’t be used to argue against your politics. For a non-US example see how the French state does not collect data on ethnicity or religion. It makes it more difficult to see how [social outcome] is uniquely distributed whether it be highest level of education, likelihood of convict of a crime or anything else of interest.
  - conviencefee999 4y ago
    This was done in Japan during the second world war. They unified under the idea of a singular identity similar to in China of the Han ethnicity which mind you is over 2000 years old and for the most part the Han people do not live in China but rather migrated to Korea. When you can pretend ethnic groups do not exist you can systemically and permanently create castes which make those who are visibly different from others into members of an invisible caste which they cannot escape. In the US the Technology industry made the same mistake when it allowed the Hindu Caste to take over the immigration policies during the 90s to early 80s.
    - imbnwa 4y ago
      >They unified under the idea of a singular identity similar to in China of the Han ethnicity which mind you is over 2000 years old and for the most part the Han people do not live in China but rather migrated to Korea >In the US the Technology industry made the same mistake when it allowed the Hindu Caste to take over the immigration policies during the 90s to early 80s. Would you have links to more expansive elaborations on these, have never heard these and they're intriguing
      - barry-cotter 4y ago
        What was written about Japan and China is absolute bollocks and I have no reason to believe what was written about the “Hindu Caste” is any more reliable. Han was the name of a Chinese dynasty. It became the ethnonym of the core Chinese ethnic group later though Tang has also been used as such to my knowledge. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are other similar uses. More or less everything written about Japan was false. Before the Black Ships, the Matthew Perry expedition when the US forced Japan open, ending its policy of isolation Japan was amazingly close to mono-ethnic for a pre-modern state. There were the Japanese proper, the Ainu and the Ryukuans/Okinawans and that was it. Not allowing your people to leave and come back rather damps down on foreign populations and absent constant replenishment immigrant communities assimilate. Insofar as Japan has a caste system it long pre-dates WW2. The eta/burakumin are still treated badly. The absolute dumbest thing about the comment was not referencing Japan’s long standing othered ethnic minority, the Zainich Koreans who were stripped of Japanese citizenship after WW2 given that Korea was no longer part of the Japanese state.
norwalkbear 4y ago
Yea black on Asian crime being framed as white violence is insanely weird.